Yoshi-P Statement on Player Feedback

[Tulzscha]

FFXIV has gotten better with every expansion and that trend continued with EndWalker. Who are these whiners who say otherwise?

The ones who can't play 'cause they're stuck in queue.

[SDaemon]

The ones who can't play 'cause they're stuck in queue.

sleep is for the weak!

[Rhysati]

FFXIV has gotten better with every expansion and that trend continued with EndWalker. Who are these whiners who say otherwise?

Didn't read the whole thread, but had to respond to this gem. First, such a claim is highly subjective.

Second, from what I can tell the overwhelming majority of the community disagrees with you simply on the basis that ARR and HW were loved but Stormblood was widely considered to be the worst expansion the game has has. The next one really kicked some tail and is one of the best MMO expansions ever possibly.

Now, we come to Endwalker: Personally I think that Endwalker is the worst expansion the game has had and I think time will show that as people stop having buyers remorse and look objectively at it. The development team skimped on the basics, reusing gear sets for most of the gear we got with the expansion. The dungeons are all extremely linear, boring slogs. And the story has massive pacing issues that are undeniable. Subjectively, I also feel like the story content is the worst I've seen in an MMO. Yes, seriously. This entire expansion's story can be chalked up to being a bunch of short stories, jammed together into one long "tale" by someone who was having psychedelic fever dreams while they were writing.

Killing a god early on? Check. Running errands for people while the world around you is burning? Check. Finding out that the moon is actually a spaceship? Check. Said spaceship is filled with intelligent bunny people who are pointlessly obsessed with everything that is stereotypical of rabbits like carrots? ...sigh...check. Mass Effect style space craft is suddenly available with a technology that doesn't even remotely match anything else in Eorzea, leaving one to wonder just how the hell they crafted this thing? Yup.

I've never been less interested or frustrated with a story in an mmo like I am with this one.

[Snorky]

Didn't read the whole thread, but had to respond to this gem. First, such a claim is highly subjective.

Second, from what I can tell the overwhelming majority of the community disagrees with you simply on the basis that ARR and HW were loved but Stormblood was widely considered to be the worst expansion the game has has. The next one really kicked some tail and is one of the best MMO expansions ever possibly.

This is a opinion show me the actual poll that is relavent saying this is a fact

Now, we come to Endwalker: Personally I think that Endwalker is the worst expansion the game has had and I think time will show that as people stop having buyers remorse and look objectively at it. The development team skimped on the basics, reusing gear sets for most of the gear we got with the expansion. The dungeons are all extremely linear, boring slogs. And the story has massive pacing issues that are undeniable. Subjectively, I also feel like the story content is the worst I've seen in an MMO. Yes, seriously.

This entire expansion's story can be chalked up to being a bunch of short stories, jammed together into one long "tale" by someone who was having psychedelic fever dreams while they were writing.

This is not a criticism of the game but a insult directed at the writers of the story is it necessary to be insulting, we get it you didn't like the story.

Killing a god early on? Check. Running errands for people while the world around you is burning? Check. Finding out that the moon is actually a spaceship? Check. Said spaceship is filled with intelligent bunny people who are pointlessly obsessed with everything that is stereotypical of rabbits like carrots? ...sigh...check. Mass Effect style space craft is suddenly available with a technology that doesn't even remotely match anything else in Eorzea, leaving one to wonder just how the hell they crafted this thing? Yup.

I've never been less interested or frustrated with a story in an mmo like I am with this one.

I just want to say that you should read the whole thread, you are going on half the information and forming a opinion with out the whole picture. The comments I bolded is exactly why Yoshida asked people not to be insulting. From the very first sentence we got your point and you took it into a long explanation only to throw a jab at the writers.

I guess I maybe wrong but honestly if I don't like a book or story I stop reading it. If I pick up a book and find the story lackluster after reading it I tend not to give the writer anymore money by not buying their books. Same can be said for a game that is story centric. I just feel like you should have read what this thread is about before commenting. To each their own I enjoyed the EW conclusion.

[Claire_Pendragon]

FFXIV has gotten better with every expansion and that trend continued with EndWalker. Who are these whiners who say otherwise?

Dark Knights since HW...

[Illmaeran]

This is saddening. The entire CBU3 team put their hearts, souls, and selves into Endwalker. I guarantee they pushed themselves to a level that many would call abusive and be contacting HR if it were in a Western country. The amount of vitriol and excessively aggressive language here during EW's release was staggering. The fact that Yoshi-P felt the need to come out and tell us all how badly the language of "feedback" (I use that term loosely) has hurt the CBU3 team speaks volumes. This isn't something that would normally be done in Japan; they'd quietly take it get on with their work.

To all the people who slung that language in the name of "feedback" and claim they're tough enough to take the same language if/when used at them should be ashamed of themselves. Imagine having thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of people yelling at you that something you've put everything you had into was trash, you are a horrible person, and need to rethink your life day in and day out.

The people of CBU3 are just that, people. They go into work, do their best, and just want to live a happy life. Even if things go poorly or in unexpected ways, they don't deserve to have horrible things said about them.

[hobostew]

I feel this is gonna be taken out of context by certain people and push out any feedback that is deemed negative in an awkward attempt to protect the devs feelings which can lead to problems in the long term.

[TaleraRistain]

I feel this is gonna be taken out of context by certain people and push out any feedback that is deemed negative in an awkward attempt to protect the devs feelings which can lead to problems in the long term.

I'm sure it will, but those people need to understand that criticism can still be negative. It just has to be constructive. We absolutely should give feedback if something lacks or we're dissatisfied. Just do it in a way that they can gain some understanding on why we feel that way and give them something to use to improve in the future.

[Avatre]

I feel this is gonna be taken out of context by certain people and push out any feedback that is deemed negative in an awkward attempt to protect the devs feelings which can lead to problems in the long term.

Feedback is fine, even negative feedback. Hell, negative feedback is probably some of the more important feedback.

BUT! Do it in the right tone and it will actually be received with an open mind that will look at it. Do it in a way such as telling them to "off themselves for their stupid decision" - and let's be honest here, there are people who give "feedback" like that to many different things, not just limited to games. People tend to get heated especially in regards to things they like. Which is understandable, but again, tone of how the feedback is conveyed plays a major role.

It's like any(well, most) work environment, if you go to your boss and say "This is $^&#ing stupid, why are we doing this stupid thing this way?!" and act all confrontational, you likely will get the boot. But if you bring up a potential way to save time on something, you will most likely(if the company/boss is receptive of new ways of doing things) see them at least look into it, if not try and adopt the way to do it.

[hobostew]

It's not really on the players to fix the game though. I'm not in favor of personal attacks and such but I feel like you're advocating for people to walk on eggshells and that shouldn't be necessary. We should be able to call something bad or stupid if we think it's bad or stupid. Doing so isn't a personal or direct attack on a dev IMO.