Undercutting

[sharknado]

I just think the undercutting has gone way too far, I mean most mats are not cheap to get, and when you invest and things are selling for say 90K for a max 570 crafted gear and then 2 days later that same piece is 20K this is just unreasonable.

Undercutting and specific market crashing down are two different things. New items start high but go down really fast. More so in EW where there is more players so more crafters. On 6.0.5 patch day Tincture of vitality was 100k on my world which was unreal price. After day or two it was like 9k, then 900. For one stock have build up and two - demand dropped a lot.

Undercutting can be a separate topic. It will happen but also some want to control specific markets by instantly undercutting with bots/what have you and denying anyone but them the sales.

[dspguy]

My take on undercutting is that generally speaking, lowering the price does not drive up demand. The average player sees an item on the MB and will buy that item, regardless of the price (200M Wivre Horns not withstanding). An item that was selling 20x per day at 50k on a weekday, will still sell the same 20x per day at 20k.

Moreover, the average player just buys the lowest priced item on the MB. They don't care if it was undercut by 1 gil or 10000 gil. And they don't care for clever names like "DontBuyFromUndercutters."

[Bearded]

There is no such thing as undercutting.

People list items at a price that THEY want to - if that is lower than you want them to price it than that is your problem.

[Vahlnir]

There is no such thing as undercutting.

People list items at a price that THEY want to - if that is lower than you want them to price it than that is your problem.

You know what listing items for prices lower than other people is? Undercutting.

[KageTokage]

Undercut bots coupled with aggressive manual undercutters perpetuates a self-defeating cycle where the price wars between the two groups rapidly tank prices on everything until only the former are making much profit for the time spent (Seeing as they're generally also botting crafts and therefore not expending any time at all).

[Divinemights]

You know what listing items for prices lower than other people is? Undercutting.

Technically, it is not undercutting.
It is market adjusting itself, your item simply does not worth the price you think it is.

[Shibi]

Leveling crafters is not hard work. It's a much shorter time investment than it used to be. EXP has been almost tripled on top of Ishgard and collectibles being highly accessible.

Absolutely. Levelling up crafters is now so buffed that it's not hard to finish them in a day if you grind it, and less than a week if you stroll.

I did the alt path on Materia DC, rather than transfer over a finished character. It's now 90 mining and botany, and all crafts. Getting to 80 on all crafts was 4 hours after I got the mats. 80 to 90 took a fraction longer, as I am not in EW yet.

This screenshot with 700% XP buff is from the gathering, and crafting in Ishgard is faster. 0-20 was maybe 15 crafts, then into Ishgard and 2 to 3 levels per single turnin.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

What annoys me about undercutting most are those who undercut for 1g just to keep their stuff at the top of the list and sit there for ages doing it and I cannot go off and do other stuff without them making my retainer listings 10x harder to get anything sold off even for 10 minutes.

At that point, I undercut by heavy amounts just to spite them.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I just think the undercutting has gone way too far, I mean most mats are not cheap to get, and when you invest and things are selling for say 90K for a max 570 crafted gear and then 2 days later that same piece is 20K this is just unreasonable. We work hard to level our crafters to have people shit on the way to make money, I was behind on my crafting, finally got it all leveled up a few weeks after end walker only to find I can not make any money to get the things I want in-game, it is dishearting. And if people think it is funny it is not. And for those that are enjoying it, power to you. I just think it is wrong to undercut by 5 to 10K an item, just so it tanks the market, and then everyone else starts doing it that way, and then bam, endgame items sell for so cheap no one makes any more items, gil etc. then the whole market crashes.

• Leveling DoH/L is very easy & stupid fast.
• Legendary nodes does not require any sort of esotericism to understood.
• Crafting rotations are all over the internet, all you have to do is to adjust what your current stats allows you to craft & whether its rotation will work or not. We even have trial synthesis to test those rotations.

In the end all those bloated 500k price per gear pieces you saw in early hours of patch days; those were the crafters selling time. Additionally bringing you back to the first point: considering how easy it is to raise your own DoH/L, you end up with too much supply than demand. Why should people buy when they can make it themselves OR have their crafter friends craft it for free willingly?

But try to look it this from brighter perspective: with raised DoH/L now you too can make stuffs for your own. Long gone those days when you’re at the mercy of people/bots’ pricing. It helps you to -not- spend gils. Maybe you can even prep for next new crafted gear patch to reap all those fortune in those limited, early hours of patch day!

It’s still a boon to yourself, regardless.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Thats like getting mad at competition. Who cares, I say just price it whatever the price you would think it'll sell more and be done with it. If people get mad then thats on them for being such self-entitled little crybabies.