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[Rongway]

We discussed it in another thread 2 days back, or so.

It boiled down to "It would be nice to fold the spells and reclaim my hotbar" vs "it removes all the skill in the game".

There is a big difference between consolidating combos and consolidating actions with mutually exclusive actions. Philosophical debates can be had about consolidating combos and it's fine for people to disagree on that part. But there is no good reason for two buttons with a related purpose to take up two slots if they can never possibly be used under the same conditions.

GNB's Continuation combo, for example, was a fair candidate for consolidation because the three steps can never be used out of order and so there was no penalty to pressing them out of order, so why even make them take up three slots. C.f. GNB's normal combo, which, even though nobody would intend to perform it out of order, it can be done and it would be a DPS loss.

The Draw/Redraw or Draw/Play and MinorArcana/CrownPlay pairs don't fall into the category of mutually exclusive action pairs because they're not strictly impossible to activate at the wrong time but in spirit they should be adaptive buttons.

[Shibi]

There is a big difference between consolidating combos and consolidating actions with mutually exclusive actions. Philosophical debates can be had about consolidating combos and it's fine for people to disagree on that part. But there is no good reason for two buttons with a related purpose to take up two slots if they can never possibly be used under the same conditions.

GNB's Continuation combo, for example, was a fair candidate for consolidation because the three steps can never be used out of order and so there was no penalty to pressing them out of order, so why even make them take up three slots. C.f. GNB's normal combo, which, even though nobody would intend to perform it out of order, it can be done and it would be a DPS loss.

The Draw/Redraw or Draw/Play and MinorArcana/CrownPlay pairs don't fall into the category of mutually exclusive action pairs because they're not strictly impossible to activate at the wrong time but in spirit they should be adaptive buttons.

Absolutely no argument from me. I fall into the "collapse more of the bloat" side. But then I am trying to train someone disabled to be a GNB and it's not easy.

Yes, there was another thread about 3 weeks ago in regards to how to do it for people with disabilities, but I am not taking that path. I will keep trying to hammer home, press 1, now 2, now 3, now 1, now 2, now 3, now 4, now 5, now 6, now 7, and so on.

[IdowhatIwant]

Absolutely no argument from me. I fall into the "collapse more of the bloat" side. But then I am trying to train someone disabled to be a GNB and it's not easy.

Yes, there was another thread about 3 weeks ago in regards to how to do it for people with disabilities, but I am not taking that path. I will keep trying to hammer home, press 1, now 2, now 3, now 1, now 2, now 3, now 4, now 5, now 6, now 7, and so on.

Problem is people think button bloat = higher skill ceiling.