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[Experiment_X4d2]

Agreed. With GNB gaining all 3 parts of their combo at once, ur never gonna have anything other than all 3, or none.
Any job with combo actions gained over time (Which is most of them tbh) should stick as they are. Scaling down for content would get really weird if ur 123 combo button was suddenly just 1 button.

[icrot]

I have macros for situations like this.

I know people here aren't a big fan of them but they make my life easier.

[Deceptus]

I have macros for situations like this.

I know people here aren't a big fan of them but they make my life easier.

Same. And even using certain macros I still routinely out dps other people.

The basic design philosophy should be:

If Skill A triggers Skill B and Skill B can't be used on it's own, they should be the same button.

[KuroMaboroshi]

• Mirage Dive - Only usable after [High] Jump - 15s buff window for a 30s CD ability, I literally can't have both up together.

While I can't comment on the other two, this one I'd personally hate. The way I have organised my hotbar has me strictly separate my abilities that involve movement from my abilities that don't, to ensure I don't fatfinger any of them by accident. As such, having High Jump turn into Mirage Dive would be extremely annoying.

[Seraphor]

It's a case by case situation. You can't just reduce ALL combos down to a single button, but for some jobs it would be a QoL improvement.

Monk for example needs all of its weaponskills on seperate buttons for Perfect Balance, however Reapers 1-2-3 combo skills are functionally identical.

[Experiment_X4d2]

Not on about combos, dw Not asking for full PvP mode, just some button trim on abilities that are mutually exclusive to eachother, or otherwise depend on eachother.
I can't Mirage Dive except after a [High] Jump, and I can't [High] Jump again until after Mirage Dive has faded/been used. So... why not make Jump just turn into Mirage Dive after use?
That's what I mean Not asking for it from combos, as that would interupt a few ways of flow I feel.

[Sylve]

It's a case by case situation. You can't just reduce ALL combos down to a single button, but for some jobs it would be a QoL improvement.

Monk for example needs all of its weaponskills on seperate buttons for Perfect Balance, however Reapers 1-2-3 combo skills are functionally identical.

What i find utterly ridiculous about the discussion is that there are people whose gameplay experience would benefit from consolidating certain combos (due to injuries like mine, general physical disability etc) yet the people who loudly proclaim "buuuuut skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll" to deny it as though skill was any sort of factor in the request is astonishing.

The objectively best solution is for it to be an accessibility option. If some players get a better experience through converting certain combo paths into a single hotkey, let them.
For those who think pressing 3 different hotkeys makes them superior humans, let them keep doing that.

It makes no difference on the end result, all that changes is each individual player's experience.
If there were 2 Paladins standinjg side by side, performing their rotations flawlessly, what does it matter if the guy on the right pressed "123" and the guy on the left pressed "111" to achieve it?
All that should matter is that both players have the choice to use either method.

[Kolsykol]

It's a case by case situation. You can't just reduce ALL combos down to a single button, but for some jobs it would be a QoL improvement.

Monk for example needs all of its weaponskills on seperate buttons for Perfect Balance, however Reapers 1-2-3 combo skills are functionally identical.

Spamming 1 button is way more boring than spamming 3 imo, RPR is already braindead enough as it is people already complain and rightfully so how empty it feels at lower levels when synced imagine if the base combo was 1 button it'd literally play like a story NPC in the MSQ...

People totally lose me when they start going on about turning the combos into 1 button and all that...
So tired of people trying to change what games are instead of just playing something different that fits their wants, I played WoW from Vanilla up to Cata and there was a ton of spamming of 1 and it wasn't fun imo.
The combat in FFXIV was one of the biggest draw for me because it feels way more involved.

GNB's Gnashing Fang combo is a bit different because I think there is a stronger argument to be made that it's one single ability split into three.
I don't think you can really make that argument for the base combos and such, you don't get them all at the same time in the leveling skill tree either they're separate skills.
Gnashing Fang however is more of a single skill and you get all of them at lvl 60 at the same time.



Ofc it lowers the level of skill required to play, it's ridiculous of people here to try and argue otherwise I dunno if people just don't want to admit that they want something to be easier but yes pressing 1 button is easier than pressing 3 especially while doing other things at the same time.
Just like how moving right then left and back is harder than moving right.
I even hear people say this about auto combos in fighting games and it's just lol...
Yes someone who is more skilled is going to beat someone spamming auto combos but the amount of skill required to do that is increased than if auto combos didn't exist and more skilled players can in some cases abuse it too while needing to put less effort in.
Less emphasis is put on skill and it makes the games more braindead.

(due to injuries like mine, general physical disability etc)

I sympathize with this, but you can't expect everything to be catered to people with injurities or disabilities.
There already are Jobs in the game that are less busy and easier to play in that case.
I don't think that Job design should be designed with that in mind overall, and it also begs the question of what disability or injury should take priority and be designed around.

I mean '' general physical disability '' what does that even mean?
How can you generalize something like that it doesn't make any real sense.

[Sylve]

I sympathize with this, but you can't expect everything to be catered to people with injurities or disabilities.
There already are Jobs in the game that are less busy and easier to play in that case.
I don't think that Job design should be designed with that in mind overall, and it also begs the question of what disability or injury should take priority and be designed around.

I mean '' general physical disability '' what does that even mean?
How can you generalize something like that it doesn't make any real sense.

Physical disabilities cover a fairly wide range. Not going to try to cover every single one lol, Maybe there was a better word for it, i dunno.

I did state that such options would be exactly that: Options.
We already have various accessibility options for things like color blindness.
Since the system for folding combo actions together exists thanks to PvP, it would not be hard for them to add the ability to use them to the accessibility options.

IIRC, There was a recent thread somewhere where someone was trying to help their disabled friend play Gunbreaker through macros. So its not like it'd help nobody.
Nothing about the jobs or future job design would need to change at all.
I don't think its healthy for the game to 'designate' certain jobs as being the only ones handicapped players are 'allowed' to play. The simple ability to fold certain combo actions together into one button helps far more than you'd think it does.
For myself, almost the entire rotation of any given job i play is handled through my mouse using Shift/ALT modifiers on the thumbpad and mousewheel because i can only comfortably use a very small selection keys on my keyboard.
That same injury makes it difficult to grip a controller for any length of time, making it difficult to use one for a game i cant pause. So yeah, save me some keybinds here and there and you open up more jobs that i can play at a decent level.

I wont speak for everyone, we all manage ourselves in a way that is unique to us, but wheres the harm in bringing an existing system to the wider game if it only makes the game more accessible for more people?
To reiterate: it'd be an option you enable in accessibility if you need it. I'm not asking for SE to make it the default everyone has to use.

[Seraphor]

The issue with some skills, like Draw/Undraw or Leylines/BtL, is that both being oGCDs it's possible to accidentally press the same button again immediately (especially if you hammer buttons).

So you're hammering away at Draw to use it the earliest instant you can, only to draw the card you want and them immediately Redraw it by accident.

The solution would be to program in an inate delay, but you could end up making jobs a little more clunkyn for example a delay could make it impossible to double weave Draw and Redraw (intentionally) without clipping your GCD.