Is sage just scholar with a different skin?

[SenzorialBoundries]

The more i am playing sage the more i feel like its essentially just scholar with a skin the majority of sage actions have a direct translation to scholar. Kardia is esentially a targeted embrace, physis is essentially WD+Illum, ixochole is just indom, kerachole is just sacred soil even sharing the same 78 trait, taurochole is excog(this one is a bit loose), druochole is 1 to 1 lustrate, pepsis is emergency tactics.
Addersgall is probably the only thing it deviates a bit from sch but is also just aetherflow with a small twist, instead of getting all 3 at once you gradually generate them and instead of getting 20% mana at once you get 21% by using them very similar. Pneuma, Haima and panhaima are the only actions that differentiate sage from scholar.
Ast while does have analogues in whm it still feels quite unique with cards, minor arcana star etc. But sage doesnt feel unique at all it just feels like 90% scholar, this is just my personal opinion.

[Recon1o6]

Congratulations you have discovered what everyone's been saying the moment we saw its toolkit in the media tour

Its literally just what 5.0 sch should have been rather than anything new, albeit with whm's job gauge. It was also arisen from the mutilation of noct sect

[Vortuna]

It has something sch doesn't have, healing resource NOT being tied to damage.

[EaMett]

It totally is what we were hoping SCH would be. With that said, from a movement perspective, it plays very differently. Phlegma + Toxicon + Icarus give a ton of mobility, while SCH is now a tower healer with no mobility (still not as bad as WHM though).

[Crossu]

They play differently and they have some skills exclusive with their jobs.

It totally is what we were hoping SCH would be. With that said, from a movement perspective, it plays very differently. Phlegma + Toxicon + Icarus give a ton of mobility, while SCH is now a tower healer with no mobility (still not as bad as WHM though).

Do you know what ruin II does?

[EaMett]

They play differently and they have some skills exclusive with their jobs.



Do you know what ruin II does?

Sorry, let me amend that comment with "in optimized play".

[rewd]

Sorry, let me amend that comment with "in optimized play".

Ruin II + Energy Drain, so you are still incorrect.

And who's "we". Some SCH players really seem to love using pluralis maiestatis.

[EaMett]

Ruin II + Energy Drain, so you are still incorrect.

And who's "we". Some SCH players really seem to love using pluralis maiestatis.

We = the general posts and feature requests from the active posters in the healer forums over the past 3 or so years? At the very least the general sentiment.
And Ruin II + ED still isn't optimized, so no.

Ah yes, the "optimized play" of spamming Eukrasian Diagnosis to have access to Toxicron and having both of your movement options on 45 sec CD vs having a Ruin II on command without any requirements.

Never said anything about spamming Eukrasian Diagnosis. Nor did I say anything about actually wasting a gcd for it (since that's what you seem to be insinuating).
And yes, you can literally spam ruin II non-stop. That doesn't mean you should do it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying there's no value or that mobility isn't good on SCH in a variety of scenarios (prog?). I'm just saying it's another skill you want to avoid as much as possible when optimizing (so mobility gets pretty bad comparatively). Unlike SGE's options that already cover all movement requirements you can encounter.

[RinaShinomiya]

I mean with the game suffering from the Holy Trinity ( Tank, Healer. DPS , except BLU) what did you expect?

FFXIV jobs are all about Balance so no jobs have a disadvantage over one or the other

and with that they lose their uniqueness and are more homogenized as more jobs are added

if your looking for Job Diversify, this game isn't it sadly, I would suggest giving FFXI a try as all jobs are vastly different from one another e.g Puppet Master can DPS, use their puppet as a tank or have the Puppet heal with Healer attachments, Red Mage can Heal or DPS, Bard is a heavily Support job that can DD if needed, ect

Literally just Healers are this incredibly homogenized.

Ruin II + Energy Drain, so you are still incorrect.

And who's "we". Some SCH players really seem to love using pluralis maiestatis.

Because Broil + ED isn't a thing.

[Crossu]

Sorry, let me amend that comment with "in optimized play".

Ah yes, the "optimized play" of spamming Eukrasian Diagnosis to have access to Toxicron and having both of your movement options on 45 sec CD vs having a Ruin II on command without any requirements.
Unless you mean that you are talking optimized to the point of using in during downtime and calculating the exact three uses of toxicron, then yes.