What are your crazy theories after Endwalker

[Theodric]

With Reaper having been introduced, a trip to the Thirteenth would be particularly interesting. Plenty of room for some cool aesthetics. Maybe some inspiration from the likes of Devil May Cry, too!

[Blindheart]

Zenos is not dead or his reaper voidsent is not. They should transform into Zeromous. Him being not dead maybe finds/recruits others like him that can transcend death and we get our 4 elemental fiends just to cap off the FFIV theme of the expansion.

Also if dynamis can transform your despair into a blasphemy... what do other emotions change you into? Very much plot to explore. Maybe this is how we get the 4 fiends. Each one is a different emotional range.

[Lauront]

If anything, I should hope the extreme lack of story for WoL's Avatar could be related to a future Void expansion. A bit like how Heavensward drastically expanded on the lore behind Dragoon.

It'll definitely be interesting to see how they address it. For now they avoided tying it to a 13th shard of the MC (probably wise to avoid tying that behind a job quest if your intention is to go there in the future), and in all honesty, it's easy enough to simply say some Voidsent are corrupt beyond the scope of any available means to rehabilitate them, and leave it at that.

[Veloran]

It'll definitely be interesting to see how they address it. For now they avoided tying it to a 13th shard of the MC (probably wise to avoid tying that behind a job quest if your intention is to go there in the future), and in all honesty, it's easy enough to simply say some Voidsent are corrupt beyond the scope of any available means to rehabilitate them, and leave it at that.

Well, Emet did say some of the civilizations on the shards would surprise us. I can hardly think of anything more surprising than a Voidsent civilization, despite the fact that the nature of their hierarchy inherently implies it.

As for the Avatar (or Zenos' Avatar, Yoshida's comments at least suggest they were thinking about that) being WoL's shard, I think it could be written around Reaper in the same way Heavensward wrote around the Eye and WoL being an Azure Dragoon. IE you get some extra dialog if you've already leveled the job, but the MSQ storyline develops a connection there regardless of whether or not you previously made one in the job quests.

[EdwinLi]

Wouldn't those just be in the game from the FFXV crossover event? Sounds more like recycling NPC fancy attacks than intending to give them to the player.

If you reach 6.0 there will be a "Noctis" boss fight for a story instance being Venat story instance boss fight. While her 3 stages were just paladin, white mage, and dancer, she uses the Armiger Unleashed animation and her Limit Break is literally Legacy of the Lucii but this was her still holding back her full power since she is just testing WoL.

Noctis in FFXV event is not a representation of what I am talking about as that was a greatly nerfed and readjusted animation to fit into FF14 for the fans.

I am talking about a real Noctis Job that focus on combat style of Armiger Unleashed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH2dC4EStU8


and back to what I said earlier, all they need to do now is create the attack skill animation and skills themselves if SE ever consider a Noctis Job. They have Armiger Unleashed animation and LB3 Legacy of the Lucii ready thanks to the effort they put into animating Venat releasing her Armiger and performing her LB attack during that story instance.

[EdwinLi]

I do wonder what makes one "eligible" for a Voidsent avatar. It's established in the RPR job quests that it's not just something anyone can have, but apparently the ability can be inherited because it was able to be passed down through generations of Priscilla's family. She says it requires a "killer instinct" and being specially attuned to the Void. What makes you specially attuned to the Void? Do you need to have a shard there?

could be level of exposure to the Void to a point that a person become aligned with the void's influence. WoL had a lot of exposure to the void after all and WoL's travel into the 13th shard may have made his/her connection to the void far stronger than any normal person. That is atleast one possible logic as it is one of the most common plot logic with certain powers in manga/fantasy stories being the more exposed a person is to the energy of that power the more attuned they become to it to a point they may not be so easily affected by the negative influences of said power while become stronger with controlling that said power.

[Iscah]

If you reach 6.0 there will be a "Noctis" boss fight for a story instance being Venat story instance boss fight. While her 3 stages were just paladin, white mage, and dancer, she uses the Armiger Unleashed animation and her Limit Break is literally Legacy of the Lucii but this was her still holding back her full power since she is just testing WoL.

That is what I am talking about. It seems more likely to me that the Noctis attacks were already converted into FFXIV format for that event (and then perhaps left unused if they changed plans) or are easily convertible enough to do it as a reference.

It makes more sense to me that they give Venat some kind of unique ability of her own – unique within FFXIV, that is – than to need a "she can do it, we should get it too" approach. If anything it's showing special things she can do because she's a full Ancient.

[myahele]

I do wonder what makes one "eligible" for a Voidsent avatar. It's established in the RPR job quests that it's not just something anyone can have, but apparently the ability can be inherited because it was able to be passed down through generations of Priscilla's family. She says it requires a "killer instinct" and being specially attuned to the Void. What makes you specially attuned to the Void? Do you need to have a shard there?

Maybe it could be some type of pact/covenant with a Voidsent which might allow of members of a family to get an avatar? I know Xande's had a covenant with CoD which extended those who share his blood.

I remember RDM questline mentioned the Calowise family consuming the blood of a Voidsent to forge a pact with her and which allowed members of be powerful mages.

[Denishia]

For another theory that didn't come true in EW but I feel will still happen somehow - I was convinced that the quest chain involving finding that one Garlean boy's parents that established his mother worked as a maid for Nerva's branch of the royal family and that they were hiding out at Palatium Novum meant that one of the optional 80 dungeons would be a crawl through another ruined Garlean manor/state building to be an aesthetic version of Tower of Zot without the Giger tower additions - the Academia Anyder to Amaurot dungeon of ShB. I think predict one of the patch dungeons will be 'domestic' Garlean, if it's 61 or 6.2.

[EdwinLi]

That is what I am talking about. It seems more likely to me that the Noctis attacks were already converted into FFXIV format for that event (and then perhaps left unused if they changed plans) or are easily convertible enough to do it as a reference.

It makes more sense to me that they give Venat some kind of unique ability of her own – unique within FFXIV, that is – than to need a "she can do it, we should get it too" approach. If anything it's showing special things she can do because she's a full Ancient.

I think you are misunderstanding or just confused what I am talking about for the Noctis Job. I am not talking about having a 1 to 1 copy of venat skills that are just normal Job skills nor asking the Noctis job just use the FF15 event attack animation from Noctis and copy skills from existing jobs.

I am talking about the Noctis Job having its own unique skills animation for its skills. Not to make the attack animation copy of job skills but to give the Noctis Job unique animations for their attack while still maintaining the Weapon Master theme and Crystal/Phantom/Royal Arms Weapon theme of the Job. It will be best if they work on it from scratch and give it a new fresh animations unique to FF14 version but still use some existing animations already being the Armiger unleashed animation and maybe update the Legacy of the Lucii to have more weapons or relfect of Noctis version of Legacy of the Lucii.


I also did not want the Noctis job just because Venat has certain abilities as well. I have always had Noctis job on the list of jobs I want to see in FF14 before 6.0 events since I find it to be a potential interesting job if SE can put effort into the job through animation works and mechanic work.

The Noctis Job has actually existed in fantasy stories in the past before FF15 being mostly called Weapon Master Job, sword master job, or Flying Sword Job. Noctis fighting style, I am only guessing but from observing Noctis combat style, may have been greatly inspired by Wuxia series Weapon Master fighting styles especially during his Armiger unleashed attacks. The theme of the job is about the person mastering all weapon types or all sword types and using them in his/her own single combat style. It reach a point they gained the ability to control swords or weapons through the air so their weapons can fly for range attacking once they reach a higher level of spiritual power through their martial arts training to master these weapons.

The more magic fantasy theme style of this job mostly focus on a strong mage creating magical swords/weapons so he/she can sending them down on the enemies but the wuxia series weapon master is more iconic when you compare the two versions of the job.


It is seen more in Wuxia martial arts fantasy stories since it is a iconic fighting style for wuxia protagonists of this type of series. However, with increase wuxia theme games being released these days (though not many make it out of China and Korea), I think more people are aware of the Weapon Master and Flying sword jobs.

Here is two example of the Flying Sword job from a wuxia theme game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDSqY8ZiPkE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfrb38xufDw



sorry for all the I sentences and large amount to text but it not easy to explain things in detail sometime. I just wanted to clear things up about what I am talking about and I mostly just call it the Noctis Job because so many people default to him when thinking about the Weapon Master/Flying sword job due to how FF15 made people who do not read wuxia series more aware about this fighting style.