Thread: The Reasoning behind The Sundering? (*6.0 Endwalker Spoilers*)

It also ignores that Venat seemed to be happy to let the Amaurotines build a wall out of lives in order to allow her to stall--lives that, as they were in Zodiark, would be completely removed from the aetherial sea forever. It's literally a fate worse than death. It's less, "accept that people die" and more "actually the Scions are perma-dead in Ultima Thule with no hope of reincarnation because they died off planet, get over it."

Love how a lore question about motivations quickly devolves into the same arguments that are happening simultaneously in like 5 threads because of this beautiful, bad faith, hit and run post:

Originally Posted by Absimiliard

tl;dr:
Venat condemned her own race to extinction based on lots of supposition and the word of some dude from the future.

This is bait. Y'all fell for it.

I mean, the hot topic of the hour is pretty relevant to this lore question regardless, and after it being answered in a single post, I hardly think that guy is to blame for it happening. It was funny bait though.

Venat's faction wasn't making a case for fatalism, and just sitting down to die. Her stance was about having the resilience to move forward in the face of suffering while having the determination to seek out sustainable solutions for the long term. Trying to bring back the souls that were sacrificed to Zodiark by sacrificing the souls of yet others does nothing to advance a solution out of the stalemate, especially when we know that Zodiark is only a temporary countermeasure. There are plenty of short-sighted, hedonistic things that you can do to make your quality of life better in the present, but that doesn't mean that it will last forever.

Likewise, the survivors of the Eighth Umbral Calamity didn't erase their suffering. They suffered tremendously, but they survived. And they took steps for themselves to build a better future under the guidance of Midgardsormr. Again, resilience.

I always find it odd when someone uses the term 'platitude' as a rhetorical tool to make a point sound less valid. They're platitudes because they are truths that are so blatantly self-evident to most people and so often repeated that you're bored of hearing them. It's a bit like conceding that your views go against common sense.

Originally Posted by Lyth

Venat's faction wasn't making a case for fatalism, and just sitting down to die. Her stance was about having the resilience to move forward in the face of suffering while having the determination to seek out sustainable solutions for the long term.

A wonderfully sweet-sounding principle that does nothing to elucidate why exactly they should be willing to leave 75% of their race trapped inside Zodiark when they could yet be saved. Venat didn't even tell them they were in a conflict, why should they believe her on nothing but the basis of unfounded rhetoric?

Likewise, the survivors of the Eighth Umbral Calamity didn't erase their suffering.

For all they knew, that is exactly what they were doing.

Venat/Hydaelyn is a Mary Sue. Her reasoning was if those that attain perfection just want to die then everyone must be unable to attain perfection but always strive for it. While Zodiark was presented as a choice. The sundering caused by Venat was not. She chose that for everyone without even communicating that was what was going to happen. And only a select few were able to avoid it. Elidibus, Hades, Lahabrea.

I find it amusing that Venat/Hydaelyn is always praised for her actions and never reprimanded for them save for the WoL. Because while they say Hydaelyn never tempered anyone I feel that a majority of Eorzeans are tempered to Hydaelyn but not in the typical sense. As to them Hydaelyn never does anything wrong.

Venat also decides that 14 worlds full of death and suffering for millenia was better than a 1 time sacrifice of a large amount of life to restore ancient society and have Zodiark as a permanent shield against Metion.

But she KNEW that since Hermes was sad that all of their society was flawed and did not deserve to exist.

There's no proof that Zodiark was a permanent solution, though. It's entirely possible that Meteion could have found and affected it eventually, when her Song was that overpowering.

There was also the potential risk of basically Ra-La-ing themselves as sacrifices to Zodiark, but I find that as a whole unlikely.