Thread: The current State of Casters 6.05 edition - balancing discussion

Originally Posted by Aikaal

I ain't a RDM expert so thanks for clarifying. Still, I must remain with my base ground info. How does those impact you in any fight? I get SMN has more mobility but in order to taxe such mobility, I must see a reason to believe I'm gaining DPS from it and I just don't see that. If anything, you have to optimize more your melee combos and mobility than SMN. Great. I'll trade that any day for multiple raises on SMN.

Unfortunately I have not had the pleasure of tackling this tier yet due to extenuating real life circumstances, Mt raid group found a sub for me in the interim so I cannot answer how that would affect Red Mage in this tier, though I'm given to understand that very frequently in 2s and 3s that it's mobility tools are taxed quite a bit just getting into position for mechanics.

Don't take the following to mean I dislike or don't want these disadvantages. Much like you I assume since you said you wanted cast times back, I enjoy them and consider them integral to the rdm / caster experience.

In a fight like e11s, however, when the group has two melee and two tanks, all the melee spots are taken up if he casts thunder. During the 2m burst back then, which was simply two 10.2 second combos back to back, I had to get real skinny and precise with my positioning in order to not kill anyone or get killed with lightning.

In the melee uptime strategy for e12s part 2, I as the caster was forced far away to the back and rendered completely unable to burst.

E4s, as ranged I had to disengage a few times I'd have rather stayed in and melee combo's.

TEA, my bursts mandated me to take up already clogged traffic zones in Brute/Cruise, and when I subbed for groups who were used to smn they had to get used to working around just how immobile rdm was comparatively.

UCoB, several times throughout twin and adds phase, rdm is forced far FAR out of range for melee for a variety of reasons. Any group with rdm needed the healer to act as the backup hellbaiter if the phys ranged got picked, whereas smn were just fine filling the role if they were present.

UWU; ifrit baiting and getting into position with titan were quite tough since you were frequently away from / launched away from the boss. God help any group that tried to get their rdm to handle mesohigh tethers in Ultima Weapon itself, though summoner was just fine handling it. Admittedly though phys ranged was best for handling this part of the mechanic during annihilation.

I can brainstorm more later but those are off the top of my head.

Funny enough, SMN is terrible to optimize because there is no optimization. Just a monkas line to follow. It was only a matter of time until a fight like P2S make you sync Bahamut out of buff windows and point this glaring weakness. RDM isn't dealing with such issue during the downtime, they can just vercure to get a free quickcast.

Cureproc is great for getting back into the bread and better but every second not casting and generating mana is a second that rdm is misaligning its melee bursts with embo and manafy. It's perfectly possible too much downtime will ruin triple combo burst.

Legitimately I'm trying to understand this big tax because Ranged Physical is a giant wildfire and only Bard is currently doing fine. I don't see Machinist being good unless they get some massive firepower boost.

It's a dumb tax in the first place. It was really only conceived because of the piercing meta I believe, though also possibly due to Bard job stacking back in arr, though the role buffs ought to have been a good enough answer imo.

To begin with, SMN new rotation looked nice and all on paper but it has massive issues and not to mention that now everyone that hates on SMN just says mobility is the reason and deal with it. It gives the job a giant identity crisis. Before potency buffs, I would rather have them have another look at the job because its just not working.

That one's out of my wheelhouse, sorry.

Originally Posted by Aikaal

In 70 content, Ruin III is stronger than your Garuda Rite quickcasts.

Genuinely curious.

Is it though? A partial cast is not a full cast and we are still going to pop our Bahamut proportionally and hardcast at least one of Ifrit before getting to a second cycle of ruda, which is where the pot gain would be, on a second full cycle, right?

I'm only asking because it seems like you have put a lot more thought into the actual numbers than I have. Anyway sorry for the silly question.

Originally Posted by Imoen

Genuinely curious.

Is it though? A partial cast is not a full cast and we are still going to pop our Bahamut proportionally and hardcast at least one of Ifrit before getting to a second cycle of ruda, which is where the pot gain would be, on a second full cycle, right?

I'm only asking because it seems like you have put a lot more thought into the actual numbers than I have. Anyway sorry for the silly question.

At level 70 content, your Garuda Rite attacks are 180 potency; 120 PPS. Ruin III is 310 for 2.5 cast so it's 124 PPS. You do have Garuda Rite has a mobility option but essentially it is weaker. Ifrit Rite is 128.57 PPS and Titan Rite is 120 PPS.

Both Garuda and Titan are quick cast options however but hey, I ain't SE doing all that balance. If you ask me, I do question and find it question that at 90 Topaz Rite is a quickcast with an oGCD that is your highest PPS spell just behind your Phoenix GCDs but above your Bahamut GCD. I say that because Ruby Rite spells are long casts and do less DPS. Slipstream is a long cast and deals less DPS also. So in situaiton you gotta sac multiple GCDs, why would you ever pick the casts options when the instant casts are stronger? There's no reward in risking it.

Also, I got to prog P3S and I swapped from SMN to RDM. RDM really has no issue there, if anything, hitting Resolution on the boss + 2 darkflames is pretty dope. Personally as a main SMN who knows exactly how to optimize SMN and a seasoned RDM who knows the job and is still figuring the optimal options and still drifts his oGCDs. It's just a straight win for my group if I got RDM and bring Magick Barrier and raise for progression because wipes are a thing. As an additional bonus, I just do the same damage.

However, p3s is already a terrible fight to claim good performances as the community deemed unworthy to include the entire add phase. I understand why, you can't have a strat involving 1 person AoEing the whole phase. but that would mean, in order for me to get a good performance, I will be spending about 20 seconds just casting Ruin III on Summoner to just align my Bahamut with buff windows. That's an awful decision as a progression / kill time perspective but it is the smartest option for my own selfish performances.

Originally Posted by Aikaal

At level 70 content, your Garuda Rite attacks are 180 potency; 120 PPS. Ruin III is 310 for 2.5 cast so it's 124 PPS. You do have Garuda Rite has a mobility option but essentially it is weaker. Ifrit Rite is 128.57 PPS and Titan Rite is 120 PPS.

Ruin 3 is not 310 potency before lvl 84 trait?

Originally Posted by Sunako

Ruin 3 is not 310 potency before lvl 84 trait?

Oh, I didn't even noticed. It's 300 potency before 84. So it's a 120 PPS versus 120 for Garuda/Titan Rite., That said, it remains kinda similar, there's no gain or loss so yeah, you can just spam Ruin III if you don't need the mobility. Thanks for correcting me.