VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Rathmir]

i don't know what else we're expected to do. it's immensely frustrating to be treated like garbage

Fully understandable. The more as it's a topic that pops up with many games and their playable beast races.
Most developers lose the enthusiam from getting the idea of adding them until release. And XIV it already went the easier way by just adding tail and exchange the head plus fiddling with secondary details (like SWG, TES-games), and not giving more beastial attributes around the rest of the body like claws, digitigraded legs, etc.

As a beast race player, I totally get the bad vibes. The more as it's a topic running for decades already. Including devs never learning from past mistakes right from the beginning. And only a few go their steps to improve their creations - and often after years of complaints.

But I simply don't think it's the ideal solution to throw good money into a bad sink, rewarding bad dev decisions, and additionally giving a sign, that adding hroth was the worst to do ever.

Personally, there are only the options to leave everything as it is now around the character, or simply quit the game. As I love my toon(s), and still the game, it's the first after all.

Not encouraging people up to use mods. But fully understandable, and personal choice to go risky.

In the meantime, we can just wait the bit time left, and then think about opening more cans of worms. We waited for 3 years already, 4 more days couldn't harm anymore. Time to enjoy some relaxing tea or whatsoever, heh

[Yencat]

So with the upcoming dandelion fluffy male hair, the female hair with the braid in the back and the unisex side pony it looks like they are simultaneously working on the oldest and newest hair files, not “choosing” specific styles.

Going forward, depending on the frequency of releases it might be possible to guesstimate how long it’ll take for specific hair :3

So either the "dandelion fluffy" male hair is being added as the male equivalent to the back braided female style instead of Artoirel's hair, or we're possibly getting two default unlocks? The 2B and 9S hair kind of go against the working backwards theory, but they did say those were added by popular request.

I hope you're wrong only because they added a lot of hairstyles in Shb and the one I'm waiting for the most was the one added at launch

[juicybug]

Charr also get somewhat of a shafted treatment. a lot of the armors, especially medium sets don't accommodate their bodies. But it's not as bad as XIV, not by a long shot.

[Rokke]

So either the "dandelion fluffy" male hair is being added as the male equivalent to the back braided female style instead of Artoirel's hair, or we're possibly getting two default unlocks? The 2B and 9S hair kind of go against the working backwards theory, but they did say those were added by popular request.

I hope you're wrong only because they added a lot of hairstyles in Shb and the one I'm waiting for the most was the one added at launch

Yeah, once the prepatch dl goes live we’ll be able to see what/how many types were getting. Personally I’m inclined to think the dandelion will be a separate hair if only because the fluffy male hair also has a female equivalent and I feel like it’d be odd to cross wires file wise. But I guess anything goes as long as it ends up 1:1. We’ll find out soon enough!

I kinda hope I’m wrong too cause I hoarded Gyr Albania plaits so that’s the update I’m looking for lol

[Yencat]

Yeah, once the prepatch dl goes live we’ll be able to see what/how many types were getting. Personally I’m inclined to think the dandelion will be a separate hair if only because the fluffy male hair also has a female equivalent and I feel like it’d be odd to cross wires file wise. But I guess anything goes as long as it ends up 1:1. We’ll find out soon enough!

I kinda hope I’m wrong too cause I hoarded Gyr Albania plaits so that’s the update I’m looking for lol

Would the female equivalent of that be the chunky twin ponytails, or am I looking at it wrong? I guess that could be cute.

Yeah, the plait was even further back so we'd be waiting a long time unless they sped up the pace!

[Raikai]

I get the hat situation with Viera, regarding the shape of their ears, and the dilemma of where they would fit with some tall hats. There are some models that literally got no physical room for ears inside, or outside.

But with just hairstyles in specific... I wish - during a live letter - Yoshi P invited the assets developer to explain to us with pictures and examples why it's so difficult technically to make Hrothgar ears work, as they seem to like explaining technical stuff like datacenters, workflow, etc in detail, which honestly are the most boring parts of live letters if you're not into that subject.

It's pretty easy to google what modders can do just regarding hairstyle ports, so it's not like it's something that is "technically impossibke"... so what gives?

[SacraAnima]

I get the hat situation with Viera, regarding the shape of their ears, and the dilemma of where they would fit with some tall hats. There are some models that literally got no physical room for ears inside, or outside.

But with just hairstyles in specific... I wish - during a live letter - Yoshi P invited the assets developer to explain to us with pictures and examples why it's so difficult technically to make Hrothgar ears work, as they seem to like explaining technical stuff like datacenters, workflow, etc in detail, which honestly are the most boring parts of live letters if you're not into that subject.

It's pretty easy to google what modders can do just regarding hairstyle ports, so it's not like it's something that is "technically impossibke"... so what gives?

While I want this to happen as well, I doubt they ever will. Removing the ears is the easiest and simplest way of porting Roe hairstyles onto the Hrothgar models without actually having to warp the meshes. They chose to take the shortest cut (pun intended) to get this out. I doubt they would go into specifics because it would open them up greatly to the 3D modeling community who would be able to weigh in on the truth of what they were saying. I could be totally off basis, but the comments from 3D modelers that I've already read in these forums and through the threads in reddit make it clear that cutting the ears was a very simple and* quick "fix"

[Rokke]

Would the female equivalent of that be the chunky twin ponytails, or am I looking at it wrong? I guess that could be cute.

Yup, this one:



Which was my character's hair waaaaaay back when she was a miqo'te in hw, so I kinda hope they do give it to buns. I think its pretty cute for being so old!

and I asked a friend to make me a list:

Gold saucer ponytail and 2B both kinda go against my theory, so I will need more hairstyles released. For science.

[juicybug]

Yup, this one:



Which was my character's hair waaaaaay back when she was a miqo'te in hw, so I kinda hope they do give it to buns. I think its pretty cute for being so old!

and I asked a friend to make me a list:

Gold saucer ponytail and 2B both kinda go against my theory, so I will need more hairstyles released. For science.
[/HB]

i would hope they give them the long roegadyn hairs (hair 8 i think on femroe)

[Rokke]

i would hope they give them the long roegadyn hairs (hair 8 i think on femroe)

Why would Viera get Roegadyn racial hairs? We've got a backlog of base game, cash shop, and the various modern aesthetics, no reason to hold your breath over another race's exclusive hairs ^^;