VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Melorie]

Occasionally I would love to fanta to Viera, just to see how some tall outfits would look like, but the lack of hats is quite concerning. And when I stop to think about the lack of hair choices... Ugh. No way. Can't even imagine what it is to be like for the furry dudes.

IMO adding more genders before fixing was a bad decision. If they at least made sure that new hats and hairstyles are available for the ALL races... But alas, we don't even have that. I often wear ARR gear and see the cute holes for lala/elezen/miqo ears or how certain hats marks the character's ears and it's so adorable... I really miss that kind of detail in-game. It's a pity to see this sort of thing being ignored given that glamour is probably the biggest content of this game.

If it's this troublesome to fix problems with a race that's a sellable point of an expansion, I guess my hopes for them updating the Character Creation for other races should be zero.

Now we have these bunny boys that also can't wear hats and have these hard baguettes that are lacking physics as their ears. Hopefully the cries for fixing the issues are even louder now.

[Skivvy]

I do worry that people have put too much stock in Yoshi P's statements about custom hair and future customizations.

Do you know what he has also said in the past? That they wouldn't require players to remain subbed in order to retain their house. We all know how that went.

Point being, statements get made and maybe it's what they envision for the game at that time, but then things change due to <insert limitation of your choice>. Instead of unique options as previously stated, Viera were given 4 random hairstyles. This very well could be SE changing course like they did with housing.

Best keep those expectations well-tempered.

[VirusOnline]

Now we have these bunny boys that also can't wear hats and have these hard baguettes that are lacking psychs as ears.

How dare you speak of my baguettes >:|

Honestly, even if it weren't Hrothgar specifically (maybe the Lupin or the more dragonlike Au Ra that were teased back in HW), I can say with maybe 85% certainty, if the servers didn't explode with the outcry for Viera, whatever beast race they decided to release would have been released in a way better state than what we have now. As much as I love my viera alt, I do sometimes wish that they community outcry wasn't so great. We probably would have had hrothgals by now and hrothgar wouldn't feel like a race thats still in its Beta stages

Regardless of my love for bun boys, I will stand by my feelings from those 2 years ago that it should have been full hroth, and hroth done right - like worgen right.
The community outcry was bound to happen when they showcased female viera and left the community waiting for the reveal of male viera. But alas what's done is done and SE now spends years having to make up for it.

Although, I have recently fanta'd to Hroth once again.
I went from having some things to no things
Honestly, just overhaul the character creation system. I think you can spare the 2M for a team of developers whose sole purpose is that.

[SturmChurro]

<insert joke about if they bring as much volume to the customization topic as they did about their inclusion we may actually get something >

We can only hope..

Regardless of my love for bun boys, I will stand by my feelings from those 2 years ago that it should have been full hroth, and hroth done right

Hrothgar was supposedly what Yoshida had actually wanted for the game, as a beast race, for racial variety, but since it was the "last chance" - at the time - to add any more races to the game, viera makes a lot of sense as an FF fan favorite - a highly requested race that would definitely sell fantasias. That outcry, and total aversion towards "missing genders" (in actuality mostly just male viera), changed this, and threw a hamper in those plans. Funnily enough, if hrothgar would have came out male+female, people would have been annoyed that this was our last race, but people wouldn't have went up in arms over wanting their bunboys if viera were never a thing in the first place. Female viera/male hrothgar went from a well intentioned last addition to round out the races, to this.

Yes, I will always blame male viera, they weren't a necessary addition - not yet anyway. When it comes to missing genders, I personally think it would have made more sense for female hrothgar to be added first instead of male viera, but popularity won out, of course.

[SherlottaEryut]

Now we have these bunny boys that also can't wear hats and have these hard baguettes that are lacking psychs as ears. Hopefully the cries for fixing the issues are even louder now.

Viera's ears are the same as how they were in XII... I doubt the developers would change the ears' physics because at this point, a lot of people (myself included) love them and wouldn't want them adjusted.

I do worry that people have put too much stock in Yoshi P's statements about custom hair and future customizations.

Do you know what he has also said in the past? That they wouldn't require players to remain subbed in order to retain their house. We all know how that went.

Point being, statements get made and maybe it's what they envision for the game at that time, but then things change due to <insert limitation of your choice>. Instead of unique options as previously stated, Viera were given 4 random hairstyles. This very well could be SE changing course like they did with housing.

I can see why the housing plan changed though, because there's limited housing so if a bunch of people just upped and left the game, it would be a waste of a plot - there's enough people fighting for the houses as it is. Yoshi changing his mind on this situation, there was logic behind it that benefitted other people.

And as for the Viera hair, I don't see a logical reason why Yoshi would go back on his word other than 'cutting costs' but considering SE are doing remarkably well for themselves lately, I don't see why that would be the case. I am trying to keep my expectations low but there are only two ways I would consider this situation fair; If Yoshi decides to listen to the people who aim to assimilate the Viera with the other races then we should get all previous hats fixed to our heads as well as shared hairstyles... If that's too time consuming then the other option being we get more exclusive hairstyles to compensate for lack of headgear, as originally planned. Unless SE have a third compromise that no one has thought of to make Viera/Hrothgar 'equal' to the other races, then I'm going to assume the two previously mentioned options are the only way.

[Starshower]

Now we have these bunny boys that also can't wear hats and have these hard baguettes that are lacking psychs as ears. Hopefully the cries for fixing the issues are even louder now.

This is factually incorrect. I don't know if the girls have it, but male viera ears have bounce physics. When you walk, dance, fight, they are always bouncing aroud. It's a reason why I love my viera, the bouncy ears are really endearing.

[LisSquid]

Viera's ears are the same as how they were in XII... I doubt the developers would change the ears' physics because at this point, a lot of people (myself included) love them and wouldn't want them adjusted.

I had hoped for animations, honestly. A little flick, or turning when "scanning". A lil something since it was their crowning feature .

This is factually incorrect. I don't know if the girls have it, but male viera ears have bounce physics. When you walk, dance, fight, they are always bouncing aroud. It's a reason why I love my viera, the bouncy ears are really endearing.

They do, but very minimally. The stiff ears are the most animated, and the totally bent ones are rock solid on females (as far as I can tell). The ones I have are the only ones I can notice swaying when I move. (Also a reason I love them. I jump around more often because I like the boingggg)

[SherlottaEryut]

I had hoped for animations, honestly. A little flick, or turning when "scanning". A lil something since it was their crowning feature .

You're right... Yeah. But how would that work with the floppy ears? If SE ever does revisit the character customization options it'd be nice to have a more expanded variety quirks.. like you said, the twitchy ears - aslong as it's optional and I can keep my lovely baguette ears then I'm all for it.

[RyuDragnier]

I'm not a fan of the flat faces of Pantera, and throw in again my counter for a face that is both beast and cute:

Khamira forever best Khajiit.

[Fukuro]

I had hoped for animations, honestly. A little flick, or turning when "scanning". A lil something since it was their crowning feature .

I agree so much. Coming from a Miqo‘te, the moving ears to certain emotes is something I miss the most! Gosh, a little flick while „scanning“ sounds so wholesome! :,)