VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[HollowedDoll]

Have you read what I said, or just skimmed through it and got angry for no reason?
I said, during the development panel they have said that they worked on all the faces for all the races to share the same number of polygons, this has been done to make the job of gear fitting easier. This has been shown during the panel at the EU Fan Fest. The textures for Viera and Hrothgar are of much higher quality than the ARR races. And while it's true that no variation for the Viera and Hrothgar hairstyle has been made for when they wear hats, it is also true that a hat would add an extra amount of polygons for the character, making the engine do more calculations in the process. That would be a lot of data for 1 character, a thing that the engine might not have been equipped at the time to handle. With the visual update, they have specified that now they could increase the number of polygons per character rendered, in so making that they can finally add hats to this race without causing a massive strain on the game. And they know this because as they have shown when testing VFX they add hundreds of characters on the screen to test the performance. A playable race is included in the VFX.

So tell me, what was so bogus about what I said? I don't work for SE, but there are certain practices in the industry that we all follow, to a degree. I just picked up on it.

Viera and Hrothgar literally have roughly the same amount of polygons, same texture compression as well as resolution there wasn't going to be any more strain than a miqote/elezen/au ra or anything else wearing the same goddamn hat with those extra polygons. I don't care what they said at fanfest, they've been dishonest before.

And please don't even dare talk about how the "ears" are extra polygons when tailed races exist.

[BellShikhu]

Chill

You need you need to calm down.
You want your point tobe accepted.
But dont want to accept other point.

That's mess up

[VerdeLuck]

The keynote was disappointing. If they were going to announce work on Veria and Hrothgar hats, I would have expected it there, but complete silence. Instead they reworked dyes for gear for everyone else, all the other races got a face lift while viera lost their bunny nose, and they showed off a lot of AF gear that suspiciously look exactly like the ones from previous expansions viera can't wear.

Joy, I guess we just need to go around again another 2 year of feedback and complaining every event, glam release, and reward that viera can't use and maybe in 2 year with 8.0 we can wear more than a couple pieces of headgear and have a somewhat feature complete race.

[DrForester]

So with the final graphical update update having come and gone and no hats announced, how we all dealing with accepting that it's just never going to happen?

What excuse do we think will be used for why Hrothgals can't use hats? They dont have the slouch of the males, or the long ears of Viera. Only thing that would need to be done is make hat versions of the dozen or so Hrothgal-only hairstyles.

[VerdeLuck]

So with the final graphical update update having come and gone and no hats announced, how we all dealing with accepting that it's just never going to happen?

What excuse do we think will be used for why Hrothgals can't use hats? They dont have the slouch of the males, or the long ears of Viera. Only thing that would need to be done is make hat versions of the dozen or so Hrothgal-only hairstyles.

Based on what I saw at the keynotes I'll stick with my previous guess that female hrothgar will be able to use all headgear and it will be a slap in the face to the other "limited races".
Fans and SE defenders will use the new "free" fantasia that SE is dangling over everyone 's heads as an excuse that everyone should fanta off Viera then with the free fantasia so SE doesn't have to fix the race.

[Boblawblah]

Well, I suppose people will get their hats one way or the other

[Caro178]

Hot take I've said before but I would rather female Hrothgar launch fully headgear compatible ahead of any Hrothgar-Viera than the alternative of them being made half complete again and provide more back-burner work for the development team. I actually gain nothing out of a situation where newly fantasia'd Hrothgals join the "please wait patiently" crowd. I'm not so vindictive that I want to see others suffer just because my preferred race hasn't received much-needed updates yet. The more complete female Hrothgar come the faster they can work on the others without needing to backtrack. That said, I do not believe they will launch with any more headgear than the males and Viera because male Viera didn't launch with full hairstyle compatibility either and received the same updates as female Viera throughout the duration of Endwalker.

Also, this "it's never happening because it wasn't shown off at fanfest" thing is sillier now than ever. They didn't have any hairstyles to show until the 6.0 liveletter. They are working on it. They confirmed it at JP fanfest too in a small nod toward the end of the Viera graphics update. When they have something to show for it we'll know. Right now it actually is a work in progress which is something it has never been in the past. Perhaps it's just me not really caring enough because I think most headgear looks bad anyway, but it just feels needlessly obtuse to hear "we are working on this" for the first time ever and twist it into "guess it's never happening". FFXIV players are so dramatic.

[DrForester]

Hot take I've said before but I would rather female Hrothgar launch fully headgear compatible ahead of any Hrothgar-Viera than the alternative of them being made half complete again and provide more back-burner work for the development team.

It isn't backburner work when they never plan to do it. Really, we need to just give it up. It's never happening.

Their "we're working on it" is about as believable as George RR Martin saying he's still working on the next Game of Thrones book.

I'd honestly like it more if they'd just be honest and tell us it's not something they plan to work on. Because what now? It wasn't shown or talked about at any of the fanfests. So the new goalpost is 8.0? 6 years after the races were introduced is our new "maybe it will happen then!".

[VerdeLuck]

It isn't backburner work when they never plan to do it. Really, we need to just give it up. It's never happening.

Their "we're working on it" is about as believable as George RR Martin saying he's still working on the next Game of Thrones book.

I'd honestly like it more if they'd just be honest and tell us it's not something they plan to work on. Because what now? It wasn't shown or talked about at any of the fanfests. So the new goalpost is 8.0? 6 years after the races were introduced is our new "maybe it will happen then!".

Yeah, the fact that yoshida's "we're working on it" was from an unofficial Q&A really makes it not hold a lot of water for me. If it was true, that's the weirdest way to address something that is easily one of the most loudly requested features on social media for this game.
If they were really working on it they should be shouting it to let people know they're being heard and that they don't have to worry, not in an offhand comment barely anyone would see.

[Pip_Chick]

Hot take I've said before but I would rather female Hrothgar launch fully headgear compatible ahead of any Hrothgar-Viera than the alternative of them being made half complete again and provide more back-burner work for the development team. I actually gain nothing out of a situation where newly fantasia'd Hrothgals join the "please wait patiently" crowd. I'm not so vindictive that I want to see others suffer just because my preferred race hasn't received much-needed updates yet. The more complete female Hrothgar come the faster they can work on the others without needing to backtrack. That said, I do not believe they will launch with any more headgear than the males and Viera because male Viera didn't launch with full hairstyle compatibility either and received the same updates as female Viera throughout the duration of Endwalker.

Also, this "it's never happening because it wasn't shown off at fanfest" thing is sillier now than ever. They didn't have any hairstyles to show until the 6.0 liveletter. They are working on it. They confirmed it at JP fanfest too in a small nod toward the end of the Viera graphics update. When they have something to show for it we'll know. Right now it actually is a work in progress which is something it has never been in the past. Perhaps it's just me not really caring enough because I think most headgear looks bad anyway, but it just feels needlessly obtuse to hear "we are working on this" for the first time ever and twist it into "guess it's never happening". FFXIV players are so dramatic.

I don't think I should comment on the first part, cause I went a few months earlier on a tangent on how I hated that M. Viera got released an expansion before female Hrothgar and how I would have preferred them to hold them until they could release both. So me saying that the person doing that comment is bad or whatever, just because he would like to halt the hats for female Hrothgar... would be very, uh.. pot calling the kettle cracked, or something...
Would I like them to be released with full head gear compatibility? Yes. But I don't think it would be happening unless it is done to Male Hrothgar and both Viera as well.

I do think they would start working on them, people are asking them left and right. I just think it was not a priority as of yet, and still think it isn't until the visual update is done. But I do believe the team is working on them. And Female Hrothgar might have been created with porting hats in mind, like male Viera were made with porting hairstyles. Remains to be seen.