VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[HeyMcFly]

At times like these I really do wish I could read Japanese... I'd like to know what they discuss on the forums or if there's a post similar to this one.

Update: I checked out the Japanese forums and a lot of their posts have replies from moderators... I'm so surprised - are we actually ignored? It'd be nice to have a comment from a moderator so I know we're at least heard.

We're not actually completely ignored, but there are so many troll threads on NA forums & threads that are seen as demanding & rude that the devs don't waste their time with every one of our posts- only the really popular ones will actually get looked at. That's why people stress keeping similar topics in a megathread that way we might see a response.

[LisSquid]

I'm hoping SE dont even so much as think about Female Hrothgar until the current races are up to scratch... We've waited long enough, it's unacceptable to ignore us (again) just to make another race counterpart.

It's way too far in post history, but I remember saying something to the same tune before male viera happened. I said that if they didn't fix the races we already had before working on the new ones then all of us would suffer from limitation backlog. Lo and behold and all that.

[Raskbuck]

I'm hoping SE dont even so much as think about Female Hrothgar until the current races are up to scratch... We've waited long enough, it's unacceptable to ignore us (again) just to make another race counterpart.

I do sympathize with SE because when Female Viera and Male Hrothgar were introduced they received backlash from certain people, they actually accused SE of being sexist and god knows what else - so it's probably not something they want to be painted as so understandable. But they clearly don't have the resources to work on two things at once, so genuinely I do think we can wait for Female Hrothgar.

I understand the desire to fix our situation, but I don't think that would be fair for Hrothgar. Vieras got their missing gender, and now asking to halt Female Hrothgar production to fix these issues seems very one sided. I get that we're not as popular as other races, but come on...

I get that you play Female Viera, and you (probably) don't find the inclusion of Male Viera relevant to your interests, but they are still the same race. I think it's time for Hrothgar to get something too.

[SherlottaEryut]

I understand the desire to fix our situation, but I don't think that would be fair for Hrothgar. Vieras got their missing gender, and now asking to halt Female Hrothgar production to fix these issues seems very one sided. I get that we're not as popular as other races, but come on...

I get that you play Female Viera, and you (probably) don't find the inclusion of Male Viera relevant to your interests, but they are still the same race. I think it's time for Hrothgar to get something too.

You may be content with your severe limitations and paying £5 to change your hair for another 2 years while SE bring in F-Hrothgar, but me along with other people want the issues sorted out ASAP... I really don't see why people think bringing in a gender counterpart is more important than fixing the races we already have.

We were in no rush for male Viera either, while they're amazing additions to the game (obviously) but all SE did was bring in another severely limited race and now they have triple the workload to sort out. Why bring in another unfinished race? And how does holding off Female Hrothgar's release for 2+ years personally affect you and your character?

[Raskbuck]

You may be content with your severe limitations and paying £5 to change your hair for another 2 years while SE bring in F-Hrothgar, but me along with other people want the issues sorted out ASAP... I really don't see why people think bringing in a gender counterpart is more important than fixing the races we already have.

We were in no rush for male Viera either, while they're amazing additions to the game (obviously) but all SE did was bring in another severely limited race and now they have triple the workload to sort out. Why bring in another unfinished race? And how does holding off Female Hrothgar's release for 2+ years personally affect you and your character?

Well, first off, they are not different "races" as you put it. They are a missing part of an already existing race.

Secondly, the way game development works depends all on the workflow. Each company can have different workflows, but the way SE seems to work is that they prioritize putting everything up first, before polishing the details. I'm not going to defend SE over the implementation of Viera and Hrothgar, but I can also understand why they do it the way they do. Imagine if they went back and started fixing these issues, and then stop at 75% of the way, added Female Hrothgar, and then continued where they left off.

Sure, they could do that, but it would cost more time, money and effort in the long term doing that way because it would be an inefficient workflow. Obviously, I'm not a fly on the wall in their office, but from what little I know about game development, as well as what I've talked with the people who are in the field, this seems to be more or less the reason.

I imagine they probably won't make any substantial changes until they implement Female Hrothgar. That way, they can address the issues in one fell swoop instead of having to go forward and back, and then forward and back, in order to fix it later.

[SherlottaEryut]

Well, first off, they are not different "races" as you put it. They are a missing part of an already existing race.

Irrelevant and unnecessary to bring up - you knew what I meant.

Also... Why are you suddenly talking from a business perspective when previously you were just saying how it'd be unfair on Hrothgar? How does holding off Female Hrothgar for 2+ years affect your gameplay and character? Let's be honest here, they're gonna bring in F-Hrothgar, people will switch over to them and when the novelty wears off they'll revert back to being their main race - the limitations get too much sooner or later, they always do.

[Raskbuck]

Irrelevant and unnecessary to bring up - you knew what I meant.

Also... Why are you suddenly talking from a business perspective when previously you were just saying how it'd be unfair on Hrothgar? How does holding off Female Hrothgar for 2+ years affect your gameplay and character? Let's be honest here, they're gonna bring in F-Hrothgar, people will switch over to them and when the novelty wears off they'll revert back to being their main race - the limitations get too much sooner or later, they always do.

Well, if I'm being honest, I asked my husband for his opinion as a game developer and he explained to me how it usually works. I'm just as upset as pretty much everyone on this thread, so don't get me wrong. I'd still consider it unfair for Viera to get everything they want, just because the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

You said there was no rush to implement Male Viera, but did you forget the massive thread asking for it? A lot of these requests seem to be emotionally based, and I don't blame them for it. We're all obviously invested in the game and want to see it grow and flourish. I just don't think neglecting one side of the playerbase to benefit the other will do anyone any favor. SE handled this poorly from the very start, and now they are in a lose-lose situation regardless of how they address it. So they might as well make the choice that helps them save time and money in the long run.

[reivaxe]

I'm VERY interested in seeing what they have planned for 6.1, as I'm sure people are being too optimistic about how they will address the Hrothgar head thing. I stand by my theory that they will simply make 1-2 or more NEW Hrothgar faces/ heads that are uniform (Same Forehead size-n-shape) and have the ability to use some shared hairs and call it a day.

Viera? Likewise, I think it's clear that they realized, "Why TF should we waste time and man power making X amount of NEW unique HQ hair just for 1 race when we can address the cries for shared hair instead?". So in 6.1 I expect Viera to get w/e new hairstyle they give all races that Patch. Maybe they will make more old hairs work in the future, but I wouldn't expect much in that regard even if they did. They've told us many times that Viera would never have the selection size of other races.
So congrats, long time Viera players, you get to be drip fed the same hair as everyone else! (At least most of the Anime Protag hair from that cursed contest has come out already)


I mean, that's just how I see it when looking at the stubby and how they handled Viera. I don't see them making new, unique Hrothgar hair when they're not doing that for the much more popular Viera, and they made stubby a whole default face option Middies have to pay $10 to get instead of diving into face features tab to expand upon it (Hrothgar's hair BS is also tied to their Face Features tab, which is why even the same face can't swap between it's 2 hairstyles, as every head is treated as unique). Seems like it would be far less of a head pain to just make new uniform heads for them that can use shared hair and build the Females on that idea.

[SherlottaEryut]

Well, if I'm being honest, I asked my husband for his opinion as a game developer and he explained to me how it usually works. I'm just as upset as pretty much everyone on this thread, so don't get me wrong. I'd still consider it unfair for Viera to get everything they want, just because the squeaky wheel gets the oil. You said there was no rush to implement Male Viera, but did you forget the massive thread asking for it?

If people knew back then what we know now, people would've pleaded with SE to hold off Male Viera. Barely anyone expected Male Hrothgar and Female Viera to get ignored for as long as they did - we don't deserve to be pushed at the back of the drawer just for playing a race we like. I wouldn't call obtaining Male Viera 'getting everything we want' either, I mean... we're missing hats and hairstyles, why on Earth would we want a gender counterpart?

I just don't think neglecting one side of the playerbase to benefit the other will do anyone any favor.

It's not neglecting anyone because no one is playing as Female Hrothgar, male Hrothgar players don't get anything from having their gender counterpart implemented. Meanwhile if SE starts creating Female Hrothgar and ignores M&F Viera and Male Hrothgar, we're the only ones being neglected.

[LisSquid]

I get that you play Female Viera, and you (probably) don't find the inclusion of Male Viera relevant to your interests, but they are still the same race. I think it's time for Hrothgar to get something too.

Male Viera were made to be less limited than F Viera, but they are held back because they never got to fixing Female Viera. This is going to be what happens to Hrothgar with their F inclusions, bet.

Call me pessimistic, I don't think it's fair to either current players or prospective Hrothgar to do another 2 year wait on updates to their race. Least of all while everyone else gets 4-6 hairstyles in an expansion cycle. Fix M Hrothgar and F Viera, and then we can properly give F Hrothgar a warm welcome.