VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Caro178]

My "realistic" request for 7.0 is that the devs go back and adapt the remaining headgear that covers the full head or rests on the hair to conform with Endwalker's new trend for Hrothgar/Viera. They realized somewhere in late Shadowbringers that "tiny hats" could be sized down even further to conform with Viera ears and Hroth heads and didn't require any hair model replacements, which became a fair compromise that allowed many additional pieces of gear to be visible on both races. Examples of pieces that have already been adapted include:

(Sources: Eorzea Collection, Ipsusu Ipsu on Twitter)

Drindle Attire


Moonward


Varsity Flat Cap


Dabar


Nier


Now, I'm sure not everybody is fond of how these items look, but I personally am and I feel getting more "easy" pieces like this would not be tremendous amounts of work. In particular I would like these two that were released before Viera/Hrothgar existed and happen to function in exactly the same way as the headgear shown above. If they were new, they would work on both races by Endwalker logic.

Male and female Little Ladies Day hats from Stormblood




There are a few more that were released in Shadowbringers, again before they took on the new Endwalker adaptation of shrinking tiny hats

Quaintrelle's


Cauldronkeep


Eden's Verse - there are plenty of examples like this one that could be adapted as easily as the recent ones have been adapted.


Another MASSIVE nod to the Elemental Fending helmet which is also a full head replacement

[Naria]

I'd love this. The Little Ladies Day, Quaintrelle's and Far Eastern Socialite's hats are some of my favorite in the game, it seems like they could just be sized down and maybe rotated a bit to work.

[Caro178]

I'd love this. The Little Ladies Day, Quaintrelle's and Far Eastern Socialite's hats are some of my favorite in the game, it seems like they could just be sized down and maybe rotated a bit to work.

They're insanely cute pieces and if they hadn't been released in Stormblood I expect they would have functioned on Viera and Hrothgar from the get-go. It's too bad, but I haven't given up hope! You never know. As the gender locks dwindle down maybe they can allocate some extra resources on details like this.

[SturmChurro]

To be fair, the whole "no hats" was because the (alleged, now conveniently claimed "mistranslation") original intent was for both races to have unique hairstyles or customizations instead. I can only assume the devs realized they bit more than they could chew with that idea and dropped it, which is why we're now getting the mainstream hairstyles instead, and since most hats are designed with those hairstyles in mind, it should be more likely all hats will eventually work - maybe not by 7.0, or even 8.0, but someday.

Yeah, this is my thought as well. Takes a lot more work creating hairstyles from scratch for both viera and hrothgar, so why not just copy and paste instead?

[Midareyukki]

Yeah, this is my thought as well. Takes a lot more work creating hairstyles from scratch for both viera and hrothgar, so why not just copy and paste instead?

:x I'd rather them being a bit more select with what they give each race, rather than just blindly do things. Or at least put in some effort in it and not render 2Peanut

But beggars can't be choosers, and ultimately even unflattering hairstyles will be a part of the character creator. Every race has it.

It would be interesting to have more leonine hairstyles for Hrothgar, but so would many other things be interesting to add to the game, and they have better sh*t to work on.

For now, give us hairstyles (without needing to literally cut corners) and try to have a wider choice of headgear when possible.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Takes a lot more work creating hairstyles from scratch for both viera and hrothgar,

See, if they were doing this from the Beginning while they were making them, and in between patches especially leading into Endwalker, we'd probably have a good handful of Hairstyles Post Shadowbrigers by now.
I get it, the world was in a bad state, and there is other content and MSQ to focus on, and then there is the Creation of the "Missing Genders" But if they didnt just sit on it and wait, we'd have more options (that hopefully wern't botched) by now.

[Caro178]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but when it comes to Viera specifically I'm much more satisfied with getting the existing and future Modern Aesthetics than I am new racial hairs. With Covid on the rise during Endwalker's development in Shadowbringers I think new Viera/Hrothgar styles would have been one of the first ideas to get scrapped/delayed (along with the second Ultimate, Dragonsong) in favour of just being able to release content. We probably wouldn't have started getting hair updates until 6.0 and even then likely wouldn't have received more than 3 hairstyles total for each, one each major patch.

Throughout Shadowbringers all I wanted was access to the hairstyles everybody else already had and the new ones they were receiving every patch. I went through enough new Modern Aesthetics releases and Moogle events where all I could do was get the item and use it with a little prayer that maybe someday I would have access to it on my character. New racial hairstyles wouldn't have resolved that problem for me even if they might have made it sting a bit less.

Concerning Hrothgar, yeah, I agree even getting 3 new racial exclusive hairstyles made to cater exactly to their racial details between 6.0 and now would have been better than what happened. Hrothgar aren't humanoid so some of the feminine, human-shaped hairs just look off on them (2B, Controlled Chaos.) Then there was the Eartastrophy of 2022. Hrothgar truly haven't always been treated with the respect its players deserve, and seeing even 3 hairstyle made only for them instead would have been a case of quality > quantity.

Unfortunately it seems to be Hrothgars' lot in life to be treated exactly the same way as male Vieras when they aren't male Vieras. On the bright side some of the new styles look really good in my opinion, but we know there's a huge list that won't look so good and I do wish there was some way to vote/communicate what styles Hrothgar players want the most so they can forget the rest and use the remaining resources on creating even one or two new styles for all Hrothgars.

[Allegor]

...we know there's a huge list that won't look so good and I do wish there was some way to vote/communicate what styles Hrothgar players want the most so they can forget the rest and use the remaining resources on creating even one or two new styles for all Hrothgars.

See, that's honestly my (hot?) take as well. On one hand, more options are always good, freedom of expression and all that, and who knows, maybe some of them would actually look better than expected, like the Jesus hair. On the other hand, many hairstyles simply do not look good on Hrothgars and nobody would use them unironically (2B is but one example), so it might as well be a waste of resources.

That said, the devs already began the updating project so might as well let them finish it, lest we confuse them further and make it seem as if we don't want hairstyles at all...again.

[Caro178]

For me, this is the collection of "no brainer" base game hairstyles will look fire on Hrothgar.

[Midareyukki]

For me, this is the collection of "no brainer" base game hairstyles will look fire on Hrothgar.

Oh, they would. Not included there is Jack's hair from Type-0, which is also a base game hairstyle that would fit a lion race. Those definitely would fit.

The last one might give us a weird frame, but tbf it's gonna give a weird frame to most other races anyway.

The hairs we have in-game do fit, and modders have shown that they can fit. That's how we know. Modding may work outside SE's rules, but at least they show us what works vs what doesn't when stuff is implemented.