VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[VerdeLuck]

Oooo, new crafting gear have helms! Would be nice if vieras and hrothgar can wear them.

I had the same thought when I saw the thread and counted the number of pieces of headgear that I wouldn't be able to use, looks like about 7 out of 14.

[Bunnycake]

Oooo, new crafting gear have helms! Would be nice if vieras and hrothgar can wear them.

[Vinter]

I don't understand why they can't just go to the modder who did the viera/hrothgar hat mod and ask if they can put the mod in the game. If the community wants to fix their game for them, why not just embrace it? Plenty of games these days allow community created content after it gets reviewed and quality controlled by the developers.

[XiRon]

Oooo, new crafting gear have helms! Would be nice if vieras and hrothgar can wear them.

Hrothgar certainly will bc apart from not showing any hair, they also clearly dont have a /visor toggle so hrothgar can look forward to more gear that swaps our heads with a middys much smaller, snoutfree model.
Hrothgar and viera will certainly not be able to wear the crafted healer or tomestone hats because those show hair models. Now if has been nearly 9 months since Endwalker released but given 6.1 gear still didnt work I sincerely doubt theyve made hatted hair models for hroth/viera racial hairs. It would please many hrothgar or viera if universal hair options we've gotten would let us wear hats but...of course it doesnt.
The tomestone gear is so depressing because...omgeeee a stupid whataver face-cover-thing that looks like nothing. Like its been 3 years you're screwing two races out of 98% of all headgear and screwing one else out of cute hats because you dont wanna work on hathair models

[XiRon]

I mean... I already mentioned a dozen times I'm not defending the devs nor "am okay with just this". It's not my jam and that was never what I meant. You're the one insisting on it. I get not being comfortable with the language, but I don't know how to say "No, that's not what I'm saying" any different. You are the one insinuating it all the time. But sure, whatever. I'll leave it too.



This is what I've been saying for a while now:

- It's clear that, for whatever reason, these two races aren't going to see themselves be on the same standard as the others for a long while.
- Viera have issues. These issues persist on male Vieras, and ironically, male Viera have complaints of their own
- Hrothgars having issues was fine to be joined with Vieras at the time, because the issues were rather similar. But the quality level and content made for Hrothgar made it clear the devs have different priorities and interests, so the two races aren't on equal footing... you know, on top of already not being on equal footing to everyone else.
- Hrothgars presenting feedback should have started earlier imo, bc then they would have known what to expect. According to YoshiP, they were surprised at the backlash they got on April 1st... but if you're a Hrothgar player, the treatment you've gotten over 3 years really wouldn't surprise anyone.
- This is my theory, but Viera feedback being mistaken for Hrothgar feedback also led to some issues. Because you just can't design Hrothgars the way you would a Viera, it's not the same. We are aware our race is way more complex than a humanoid character.

So we need to present our feedback clearly (Viera need to make it clear what they want, and Hrothgar need to be clearer on what they want).
And we need to be realistic.

Asking for Male Viera was perfectly valid, and male Viera players are happy being male Vieras. Issue is, they have all the problems their female counterparts have, plus some of their own. And that shouldn't happen from a design standpoint as well as from a customer's viewpoint.

Meaning that asking for Female Hrothgar, while also perfectly valid, needs to be done smartly. Given all the issues with Hrothgars and the way the devs design stuff for them, whatever femgars we have might be disastrous. So it's best to make sure the race as a whole is taken seriously so future players don't suffer.

A lot of people are excited for Female Hrothgars and they have the right to do so. I'm just worried because Square should learn from past mistakes and make sure the race works well before announcing their decisions like that. And we know we're in for a while with no real updates, because the ARR races will have a texture lift while we're still stuck with lower quality and missing basic features.

For femgar at least I think every hrothgar-enjoyer would be on board with them using Karmaho's art as a jumping off point.

[Midareyukki]

For femgar at least I think every hrothgar-enjoyer would be on board with them using Karmaho's art as a jumping off point.

Yes. Please. Hell, Square, hire them!

[Adamantini]

My friend send me this...

[Midareyukki]

My friend send me this...

So basically the Viera experience is a coinflip? Either you get hats that fit, or you get hats that won't show up?

I don't understand why they can't just go to the modder who did the viera/hrothgar hat mod and ask if they can put the mod in the game. If the community wants to fix their game for them, why not just embrace it? Plenty of games these days allow community created content after it gets reviewed and quality controlled by the developers.

Theorizing here but could be:
- Because they don't know how to contact the guy (I don't see SE having a discord account xD)
- External resources might not know the flow of the team or the required rules, since this is a game with a rocky development history and needs people to be trained before joining
- Having to contact an external person is always a hassle and SE wants to make sure they get stuff out on that specific deadline
- They would have no backup to fall back on if the person decides they want no part of it, since (especially for Hrothgar) very few modders are actually invested in this specific part
- Because of the modders' reputation (again, especially for Hrothgar, where one particular modder is known for heavy NSFW art). Hasn't stopped other companies before (like a mobile gacha game called "Sdorica" and a popular furry artist) but it might for SE
- Because the person won't have access to their tools?
- Because it'd be acknowledging mods are a thing and that they are benefitting people in any way?
- Because pride.
- All of the above
- None of the above

[SturmChurro]

My friend send me this...

The full helmet right? Then they can't. Probably.

Maybe if it had a hood over it.

[XiRon]

4 months to get ears that just clip thru hair, no new options, including the brand new style releasing in 6.2, and no unlock of our other faces hairstyles.
Meanwhile right there in patch notes gods golden children do get new options.
So now we get to wait til 6.3 to see if we get anything worth a crap a hooraaaay