VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[LuciaMirain]

If I'm remembering right thus far the history of Viera hair additions has been:

6.0 female: Mid length fluffy with bangs
6.0 male: Emmanellain
6.0 Shared: Controlled Chaos, Gold Saucer ponytail, 2B, 9S, Lightning/Snow cash shop

6.1 female: Twin tails with bangs, mid length side part with half ponytail, long dreads, Lyse hair via cash shop update
6.1 male: Pippin's style, feathery short, middle part Hippie
6.1 Shared: Fashionably Feathered, Rainmaker, Both Ways

I don't love all of these hairstyles but I have seen people using all of them. 4 base game for each gender and 8 Modern Aesthetics + Lyse's for fViera and not counting today's patch notes is decent all things considered. In terms of hair selection Viera have already come a long way in a short time. Just have to be patient that everyones' favourite styles will be added eventually.

I remember being quite annoyed with the release of those specific hairstyles since 1. some of them looked quite bad on viera and 2. I was worried that, that was all we were gonna get. But seeing this list has actually given me hope that they ARE working on making viera more equal to the other races.

[Caro178]

I remember being quite annoyed with the release of those specific hairstyles since 1. some of them looked quite bad on viera and 2. I was worried that, that was all we were gonna get. But seeing this list has actually given me hope that they ARE working on making viera more equal to the other races.

Counting from the ffxivcollect list there are currently 29 unlockable hairstyles (not counting those announced yesterday) and after major 2 patch cycles Viera can already use 9 of them. In a similar vein there are maybe 5 or 6 more "base game" hairstyles I expect them to add from the Miqote/Hyur/Lalafell page (high pigtails, the two long wavy styles, the basic ponytail, etc.) With 6.2, 6.3, 6.4 and 6.5 still to come and if they follow a similar pattern throughout we should get 5 or 6 new styles per cycle. I don't think I'm even being overly optimistic to expect Viera will be 90% on par with the other races by 7.0. in terms of hair.

Headgear is another can of worms, of course.

[LuciaMirain]

Counting from the ffxivcollect list there are currently 29 unlockable hairstyles (not counting those announced yesterday) and after major 2 patch cycles Viera can already use 9 of them. In a similar vein there are maybe 5 or 6 more "base game" hairstyles I expect them to add from the Miqote/Hyur/Lalafell page (high pigtails, the two long wavy styles, the basic ponytail, etc.) With 6.2, 6.3, 6.4 and 6.5 still to come and if they follow a similar pattern throughout we should get 5 or 6 new styles per cycle. I don't think I'm even being overly optimistic to expect Viera will be 90% on par with the other races by 7.0. in terms of hair.

Headgear is another can of worms, of course.

I think we can forget about headgear until 7.0. At most they will keep adding more tiaras/facemasks and shrink whatever hat they can to fit on the front of the head. Doesnt mean we should stop asking for it, ofc.

[Caro178]

Personally I can live with never having full headgear compatibility (I understand not everyone feels the same way and I fully respect all the complaints). I was not okay with never having hairstyle compatibility but thankfully SE did listen and while not every style is perfectly adapted to the race I don't even think every base game hairstyle is perfectly adapted to the races that have no restrictions either. There's a lot to be resolved everywhere. The customization in general is a mixed bag but different strokes for different folks. The game is always evolving and it is really hard to please everyone. Two things I really want to see for 7.0 that have nothing to do with Viera are all 4 face styles of Hroth having access to all racial hairstyles and horns no longer being locked to face shape on Au'ra.

[LittleArrow]

Huge thank you to SE for fixing the ears on the Hrothgar. Also, big thank you for continually adding hair. I know we have the Lyse hair, but I'd love the pretty ponytail that's already in the game. Preferably with the bangs being long - I know some hairstyles with Viera suffer with a larger forehead.

Either way, thanks again SE for listening to feedback and fixing it

>>> This ponytail:

[Rawr18]

Huge thank you to SE for fixing the ears on the Hrothgar. Also, big thank you for continually adding hair.

Still barely the bare minimum for hrothgar.

[Vahlnir]

Still barely the bare minimum for hrothgar.

Yeah. I mean, I'm glad to see that particular issue addressed, but it does absolutely nothing to sway me. They're gonna have to try way harder than that before me and SE are on even remotely civil terms. Until then, I will be giving them crap when and where I can.

[LuciaMirain]

Id settle for making the headpieces (and hairs from mogstation and all nonrace specific hair) and all AF gear function for viera and hrothgar. If they are going to insist on job identity and charging alot for the glamgear, this only seems fair. I think that all long hats that would hide ears should be shown as well and the ears simply disappear. I would be fine with that too. I RARELY use hats anyway but I do love me some veils at times.

[Caro178]

Hrothgar are really a whole other thing and I get the feeling that YoshiP/the dev team doesn't even really understand what the game's Hrothgar population wants. There was a strange case of lumping Hrothgar changes with Viera changes when the races have different problems and their players have different requests. Of course they answered these expectations in the laziest way possible. It was so bad they had to go back and fix it, lmao. I wish there was a way to vote or consolidate what hairstyles Hrothgar players want the devs to enable so they aren't wasting time on 5 new Karen hairstyles for 6.3. I'm pretty confident Hroths never wanted every catboy/middy base game hair option just with ears clipping through. I've seen a lot of interest in the Bozja mullet which makes sense and would actually suit the race. Simply making every hairstyle work for every face would be a huge and realistic step in the right direction.

[Yencat]

Hrothgar are really a whole other thing and I get the feeling that YoshiP/the dev team doesn't even really understand what the game's Hrothgar population wants. There was a strange case of lumping Hrothgar changes with Viera changes when the races have different problems and their players have different requests. Of course they answered these expectations in the laziest way possible. It was so bad they had to go back and fix it, lmao. I wish there was a way to vote or consolidate what hairstyles Hrothgar players want the devs to enable so they aren't wasting time on 5 new Karen hairstyles for 6.3. I'm pretty confident Hroths never wanted every catboy/middy base game hair option just with ears clipping through. I've seen a lot of interest in the Bozja mullet which makes sense and would actually suit the race. Simply making every hairstyle work for every face would be a huge and realistic step in the right direction.

Unless I'm misremembering I believe after the whole no-ear thing blew up and everyone was mocking how bad it looked they did address it afterwards and didn't they ask what Hrothgar players want and said they would collect feedback on it? (which they probably should've done, like, 3 years ago but that's neither here nor there at this point.)

So they are kind of doing that, just way too late.

Looking closer at the image in the patch notes it also looks as though they may have warped the texture to create a parting where the ears come through? But I could be wrong as it's difficult to see. Nothing worth busting out the confetti for even if it's true but then at least they did do some work on it and didn't just flip the ear toggle back on.