VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[XiRon]

Friend took a picture of me from their end, and I was saddened. I have a hat, a GOOD one in the picture.



HURRY UP AND GIVE THEM TO US SE, CONSOLE PLAYERS NEED THIS!

Absolutely would if I could.
Buddy showed me his hroth in Gyr Abania and Styled and god it hurts knowing we aint getting jack in 6.2 because god forbid we want our ears to be attached.
Id be shocked if they add ears back to "new" styles let alone give us the hair from from our other faces.
Its so gd stupid. The most basic feature every other race has, using its own race specific hair, is for hrothgar harder (its not thank you modders) than a rich man pushing a camel thru the eye of a needle into heaven.

[XiRon]

I really absolutely never want to hear "oh hrothgar players are so ungrateful" again because a) this is subscription based game not a soup kitchen the devs arent making the game out of the kindness and warm smiles of their heart and b) its bad enough to, 3 damn years later, have 98% of a gearslot not work at all but also if you deign to use any of the new hair we got 6.1 use lose earrings, that TWO gear slots you dont get to use and yes you cant use hats with new hair options despite being badly photoshopped from hyur skulls.
I could totally see them giving female hrothgar digitigrade feet and stripping them of a gearslot because "it's so hard making gear fit a model that isnt a 4'2" scrawny little uguu anime gurl please understand".
I'll never get over this games insane yoship cult defending losing ears and telling players who waited the entire expansion a race was introduced in- and got jack diddly except a storyline that was a decidely meanspirited hrothgar snuff film and a bug fix so hrothgar wouldnt run on the camel mount- to be "grateful". And we still can't even use our races own hairs.

[Ardeth]

I'll keep banging on about this, but releasing them unfished it the most Blizzard thing SquareEnix could've done. What a joke. You know Female Hrothgar are going to come out and they will still be borked.

[Puksi]

To be fair, Blizzard was way, way more transparent with the state of the Allied Races before launch of BfA, and they had the KTs/Zandalari ironed out with the first patch iirc. We knew before launch Mechagnomes weren't ever going to display arm and leg gear.

In Hrothgar and Viera, Square's done the worst of ActiBlizz and then some. The Fantasia cash grab singling out Hroth players who wanted haircuts was just a scam.

You know what would've prevented all this? Not rushing the models and welding the ears to the heads in the hat slot, and the hair to the faces in the case of Hroths.

[Avidria]

To be fair, Blizzard was way, way more transparent with the state of the Allied Races before launch of BfA, and they had the KTs/Zandalari ironed out with the first patch iirc. We knew before launch Mechagnomes weren't ever going to display arm and leg gear.

In Hrothgar and Viera, Square's done the worst of ActiBlizz and then some. The Fantasia cash grab singling out Hroth players who wanted haircuts was just a scam.

You know what would've prevented all this? Not rushing the models and welding the ears to the heads in the hat slot, and the hair to the faces in the case of Hroths.

Y'know it's funny, I've been thinking a lot about why this bothers me so much in FFXIV but the limits WoW has never bothered me nearly as much. And I think it's twofold really.
One, in WoW I played a ton of alts. I maxed multiples of my favorite class, I raided (very casually) on more than one character, I goofed off with different playstyles on different alts. So I could play every race in the game whenever I wanted at no additional cost to me. Whereas in FF... I got one character. I've already spent a stupid amount of money on fantasias because sticking with one look for too long gets boring for me. And when a race is more limited than literally every other race, with absolutely nothing to make up the difference in any way... It's harder to justify spending actual real money to change to that race. Even if it's my favorite by a very large margin otherwise.

The second is that glamour and hairstyles just generally feel like a bigger deal in FF than wow? Like wow's style is more goofy and cartoonish, but it also has a huge variety of styles, and lacks the inventory space limitations FF has for glamour. So yeah, mechagnomes can't wear arm and leg gear, and the races that don't have human feet get their boots chopped in half, but it was always like that for all of those races, always expected, and they otherwise have options on par with the races that don't have those limitations. It's part of the aesthetic really.

Whereas the only special thing about Hrothgar is their head shape (which I liken to Worgen, who could still wear hats no matter how ungodly stupid it looked) and the only special about Viera is.... they have rabbit ears instead of cat ears. Like, those limits were part of the design decisions behind them. They chose in advance to just not bother giving them more options, apparently assuming everyone would be chill with that (I vaguely remember a statement somewhere that they didn't think it would be that important? But can't remember where so meh). And just. The disparity in options is massive. Viera are barely unique at all from a player perspective. I'd argue they aren't when we have cat and lizard people already. Which just makes it even more frustrating.

[Kikoten]

I'll keep banging on about this, but releasing them unfished it the most Blizzard thing SquareEnix could've done. What a joke. You know Female Hrothgar are going to come out and they will still be borked.

But hey, at least we'll get FEMALE Hrothgar, amirite?! I heard the news that genders are getting removed from WoW.

Please, SE, don't ever do this.

[Midareyukki]

I heard the news that genders are getting removed from WoW.

? What?

"World Of Warcraft: Dragonflight will be removing gendered language from its character creation menu"
"In the existing game, when creating a character players are presented with either ‘male’ or ‘female’. However, Dragonflight will be changing this to ‘body 1’ and ‘body 2’."
"the game will let players choose between he/him, she/her or they/them, as well as a preferred voice"
"However, it’s notable that the game already avoids referencing the player using pronouns, instead choosing to call them “champion” or “hero”."

...so they're still keeping genders, expanding on the genders the game will feature and allow for a lot of personal customization for your character.

You still will have men and women, you'll just accomodate for people who want to play non-binary characters or anything else altogether. They're expanding the thing, not removing it.

That isn't "removing genders" :| That's just throwing away a binary system and ask people what they want the text to feature. A feature quite a few people in 14 would probably appreciate too, ngl. I know a few Hrothgar players who play a trans warrior of light, even without femgars available. And would likely keep doing so even with them being available. Or who knows, Viera characters as males are the most androgynous in the game.

[dapperfaffer]

? What?

"World Of Warcraft: Dragonflight will be removing gendered language from its character creation menu"
"In the existing game, when creating a character players are presented with either ‘male’ or ‘female’. However, Dragonflight will be changing this to ‘body 1’ and ‘body 2’."
"the game will let players choose between he/him, she/her or they/them, as well as a preferred voice"
"However, it’s notable that the game already avoids referencing the player using pronouns, instead choosing to call them “champion” or “hero”."

...so they're still keeping genders, expanding on the genders the game will feature and allow for a lot of personal customization for your character.

You still will have men and women, you'll just accomodate for people who want to play non-binary characters or anything else altogether. They're expanding the thing, not removing it.

That isn't "removing genders" :| That's just throwing away a binary system and ask people what they want the text to feature. A feature quite a few people in 14 would probably appreciate too, ngl. I know a few Hrothgar players who play a trans warrior of light, even without femgars available. And would likely keep doing so even with them being available. Or who knows, Viera characters as males are the most androgynous in the game.

jesus what a waste of design resources to vanity signal.

[XiRon]

I'll keep banging on about this, but releasing them unfished it the most Blizzard thing SquareEnix could've done. What a joke. You know Female Hrothgar are going to come out and they will still be borked.

The best possible news for 7.0 will be hrothgar and viera finally get to use every headpiece but a new graphical update 6ish years after hrothgar and viera were released cant possibly do it, we know better than to hope.

[Ardeth]

The best possible news for 7.0 will be hrothgar and viera finally get to use every headpiece but a new graphical update 6ish years after hrothgar and viera were released cant possibly do it, we know better than to hope.

You know they won't. The only thing we got lately that I noticed is as a Hrothgar you can change your hair without paying $10, but you only get what like 4 or 5 choices? It's a joke. I know people have said that the community just wanted them out and they didn't care they were half finished, but the whole thing is just gross. Like I said it's the most Blizzard thing they could've possible done outside of making them a separate micro transaction to unlock.