(Ninja) Why is Hurajin and Thing?

[Soge01]

(Bit of a mild rant.)

We have mudra to activate Huton and Armor Crush to keep it up, so why even include Hurajin unless it's to lower the skill ceiling of the job class. It's not very hard to keep Huton up at all without Hurajin. Just feels like a useless skill tacted onto Ninja. Phantom Kamitachi should just take its place as a separate button from Bunshin that you could activate every 30 seconds or just straight up use with the Ninja gauge.

I'm only at level at 83 with Ninja, so I don't know how the rest of the new abilities work yet, but so far I think Hurajin should just be outright removed from Ninja as it doesn't bring anything to the table that actually improves Ninja's playstyle and is just useless button bloat that only recently new players would use.

Thoughts?

[Ardeth]

I'm not a hardcore player by any stretch, but the reason I use it is 1 button verses 3 or 4 when you ninjutsu it. Though most of the time I just do it normally anyway. I'm also not trying to get as much dps as I can and squeeze out as many gcds or whatever. I try to play as good as I can. I also don't care about things like skill ceilings etc.

[iVolke]

The point of the ability is so that you don't have to waste a mudra on reapplying Huton when you die.

That's it. I think it's good, because ninja was punished more so for dying than other melees.

[Jettinson]

I see it mostly as a tool in case you end up dropping Huton or messing up some rotation either through cutscenes or whatever without the need of spending a mudra.
The only thing that honestly sucks is you acquire the skill at 60 and not before Armor Crush, still relying on using a Mudra to keep Huton up before AC...

[Ardeth]

I see it mostly as a tool in case you end up dropping Huton or messing up some rotation either through cutscenes or whatever without the need of spending a mudra.
The only thing that honestly sucks is you acquire the skill at 60 and not before Armor Crush, still relying on using a Mudra to keep Huton up before AC...

As a casual player that to me is the really annoying part. Granted it's like what 4 levels you have to wait, but still they should've been a package deal so you don't have to waste ninjutsu on keeping it up.

[Shurrikhan]

The point of the ability is so that you don't have to waste a mudra on reapplying Huton when you die.

That's it. I think it's good, because ninja was punished more so for dying than other melees.

Have you seen what happens to Eyes or Beast Chakra on death?

But yes, it doesn't reduce the skill ceiling in any way; it just conveniences the floor slightly and reduces the penalty of dying somewhat.

[Satarn]

Yeah, Huraijin is pretty stupid button bloat and I think it's rarher obvious that they just didn't know what to do with NIN in EW. Even on long transitions in SHB you could always keep Huton up, be it by capping on the duration before downtime or just using a ninjutsu charge which would've clipped the cd mid-way through anyways. Now we have Huraijin which you pretty much never want to use and had to pay some of the maximum Huton duration for it.

Sure, it makes deaths less punishing, but it was never such a big issue to begin with - most jobs get punished by deaths to a degree, I don't think that should be seen as such a horrible thing. I always felt much worse about missing the TA window and misaligning its cd when I died, than about having to "waste" ninjutsu on Huton, but wouldn't want to see that "solved" in some stupid way either.

[Darkstride]

It's a quality of life skill that's only used to re-apply Huton while you're in a fight if it drops off (death, long downtime, etc). Rather than wasting your Mudra on Huton, you can just apply it quickly with Huraijin.

[Rhynio]

instead of removing Hurajin I purpose ...

Have Huton buff be the single button, and replace the Huton jutsu combo (ending with Ten) with a new ability since we now have the space for it. (currently only having the 3 mudras)

OR

Have Hurajin be a oGCD ability that buffs Huton if it's currently up for more than 30 seconds (even faster recast reduction, extra Bunshin stacks, increase Ninki gauge by X (Mug 2.0))? Reward a Ninja player who keeps Huton up the old fashion way by using your full combo's.

At this rate they might as well just turn Huton into a trait and give ninja's the buff since it's so easy to do now; remove the active element like they did with ye old poisons.

[Satarn]

Why mess with how other skills work, just to make useful something that was never needed to begin with? I'd much rather just get a new ogcd attack to use between TAs in its place or get back the Shadowfang combo to break up the downtime monotony. If there was anyone genuinely bothered by dropping Huton before EW, then I can easily see them whining about that second idea as well, because it's a dps loss on drop all the same.

Also screw the idea of turning Huton into a trait and removing another combo from the job. It's there to add some gcds variety between bursts, something we need more of, not even less. You still have to pay attention to it and it even has a different positional. It's not like DRK's Darkside that just stays on as long as you spend MP on anything.