My issue with role quests

[TheMightyMollusk]

They make a degree of sense if you think about the class and job guilds in each of the city-states. Gridania has no tanks, Ul'dah and Ala Mhigo have no healers, Limsa has no publicly acknowledged melee (the Rogues' Guild is an open secret, everyone knows but they're still more of a black ops group), and Ishgard has no casters. They're looking to fill in the missing gap in the party. Doma just kinda gets the last leftover role.

[Tracewood]

They make a degree of sense if you think about the class and job guilds in each of the city-states. Gridania has no tanks, Ul'dah and Ala Mhigo have no healers, Limsa has no publicly acknowledged melee (the Rogues' Guild is an open secret, everyone knows but they're still more of a black ops group), and Ishgard has no casters. They're looking to fill in the missing gap in the party. Doma just kinda gets the last leftover role.

Doma is also lacking healers until the very last quest, which I have to say is a very good fit for you-know-who.

Also the healer one was pretty engaging with another troubled NPC and it gives some much needed character development.

Part of me has to wonder if they're setting up the new crop of Trusts for 7.0 and the saga that comes with it.

[TaleraRistain]

Part of me has to wonder if they're setting up the new crop of Trusts for 7.0 and the saga that comes with it.

Ranged quest especially felt that way.

[Sicno]

Yes, I also felt that save for some very specific scenes these role quests have barely any reason to be locked to a role.

well the ranged physical role quest specifically has a blasphemy that can fly and is pretty speedy so they wanted someone for their ranged attack ability.

It says so on the description banner of the initial quest, but it's barely brought up during the actual questline. Not to mention in the actual battle with the blasphemy...

...you fight it at ground level, along with some melee npcs hitting it next to you. In a closed space. And no, we didn't do anythng to "bring it down" either. Your contribution as a ranged dps is "being able to use interrupts". It could have perfectly been a tank quest.

and Ishgard has no casters.

Just because they don't have some guilds open for us to train in their disciplines doesn't mean they don't have those roles within their ranks. And the jobs that ARE open to us are very... "peculiar" within their society. There's plenty of casters in Ishgard. You can go do The Vault sometime if you need a refresher. And don't forget Ser Charizard.

[Jennah]

The bigger question is: "Why do people turn into End Beasts in the role quests, if there's like a 99% chance you've finished the MSQ before doing any of them?"

[TheMightyMollusk]

The bigger question is: "Why do people turn into End Beasts in the role quests, if there's like a 99% chance you've finished the MSQ before doing any of them?"

Because the main blasphemies have already turned, and the presence of the main ones can still turn people into lesser blasphemies. Side quests technically happen when they unlock, not when you actually do them. Otherwise no one could go into Heavensward without first completing the ARR dragoon quests, which introduce Estinien and the Eye.

[Sicno]

Side quests technically happen when they unlock, not when you actually do them.

Depends on the quest. They're often open to have happened in pretty much any period of time, a big exception being the time during this expansion because some class/job npcs and their activities got involved more directly on the story. But most quests involving the war with the dragons do seem to have happened "3 expansions ago, not in the present".

And then there's the lvl 50 Culinarian quest, which involves a certain character who may or may not be around when you do it.

Otherwise no one could go into Heavensward without first completing the ARR dragoon quests, which introduce Estinien and the Eye.

With Estinien his introductory cutscene in the MSQ changed depending on if you already know him or not. They explain to you about him and the eye on the spot. It's not something "you couldn't have lived with" if you missed the DRG story.

[Sicno]

Because the main blasphemies have already turned, and the presence of the main ones can still turn people into lesser blasphemies.

I was wondering about this same thing, how could people turn after the MSQ was done, but your explanation does make sense. I guess they can behave like sin eaters (to make others turn forceably) and through the way dynamis and the transformation worked they could be affecting their nearby environment.

[GrizzlyTank]

Yeeh, if anything they should have incorporated scenes where we actually get to fight with our weapons in cutscenes rather than standing and stare.

Examples being us shooting something out the sky as ranged or jump in and visibly block an attack as tank.

[Fawkes]

They had role quests in Endwalker because they had role quests in Shadowbringers. But it seems like they decided to not make them important to the roles, and instead just made them for a premise for why you'd go to each city. They only exist so you have a reason to go on a gpose date with Aymeric, or walk around Yugiri's hometown and meet her parents. They're more "old NPC" quests than role quests. But they exist as role quests because somebody wrote "role quests" on the to-do list and they got made that way.