Final Fantasy 14 Players trying WOW?

[Shurrikhan]

I simply don't like it because grounding me to such an extent does not make me appreciate the zone/the world, but actually does the opposite.

Totally fair. Again, at this point, we'd be verging into the hypothetical (an MMORPG actually doing an open world well, and what means of such would be erased/flattened away by unfettered flight).

And that's the thing, for me, grounding me for months in the hopes of getting me to enjoy the zone more doesn't work when all I'm doing are dailies and there is nothing interesting on the way to those dailies.

I enjoyed the zone the first time through and unlocking flight sooner would allow me to enjoy it more. That's why, even though FFXIV's zones are more boring in terms of having things to do for me (I don't care for hunts/fates/gathering, maps only with FC, beast tribes depends on the mood), I enjoy them a whole lot more than WoW's zones just in doing MSQ and unlocking flight and then flying around.

If there's nothing interesting on the way to those dailies, that isn't an issue of lacking a mount, flying or otherwise. (Mitigating an annoyance doesn't create a new reward; you still need something of intrinsic value to begin with the prevalence of which would then increase.) That's an issue of having a dull tarp onto which some activities have been arbitrarily laid instead of an actual world. If there's no interaction, nothing of intrinsic interest, it's not yet a world, but instead simply two to three activity types (e.g., FATEs, quest, hunts), that happen to take place in an instance with a higher player limit.

But again, that verges into hypothetical grounds for this genre.

tl;dr: I wish MMOs actually gave a damn about using their open world well instead of just, on rare occasion, lucking into some good examples of usage.

[Themarvin]

Tried wow... it is not really a good game, am an old school MMO gamer here and all too much of it... FFXIV manege to grasp some of that feel, wow does not and never will.

[YukikoKurosawa]

You cannot feel sympathy for people that worked in a creative project for years and depend on that work to feed their families and want to see things getting better? You lack so much empathy, I simply have no words. You don't know these people's choices nor what they are able to do and what is tying them to this company, and yet you judge. Life is not black and white, and you clearly don't care about the victims and just want to spread hate. I have pity for everyone that have to endure people like you with this type of mindset into their lives, honestly.

And they can work for another company in their industry with their skillset if they don't like working there, one that will treat them well. That they choose to continue doing so in spite of their complaints tells you that they don't actually dislike working there as much as they claim. Or perhaps they're claims of workplace misconduct are to some degree exaggerated if not outright falsified. The fact that Blizzard devs feel perfectly comfortable trash-talking not just their customerbase, but even their own CEO on their professional social media accounts tells me it must not be as oppressive to work there as they claim, else they'd be terminated instantly like at any sane company. My personal take on the Blizzard situation is, just judging by the devs' social media accounts, how they (much like Blizzard the corporation) speak, how they speak to their playerbase, how they behave, tells me that both Blizzard (the corporation) and it's devs are all equally reprehensible human beings and deserve each other.

I have zero sympathy for anyone still involved in that company, and neither should anyone else. The only good ending to all of this is if everyone top down, from management to developers, get canned and the entire company shut down and none of these people ever find work in the video game industry ever again.

[YukikoKurosawa]

They choose to remain at Blizzard even after the fact. I cannot feel any sympathy for anyone still at that company.

Probably my favorite part of this was seeing the ABK workers tweet about protesting against Blizzard, then the very same day tweet out how they just bought the recent $30 Cat mount. Absolute clownshow.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Most of the people tend to use the whole lawsuit situation as a way to justify their hate for a video game, while forgetting that all the victims were actually workers at Blizzard as well. That the entire discussion around the lawsuit was game dev industry and how Blizzard isn't the only company with these problems.
The victims of these actions also helped build the games. The people at Blizz Walkout are workers too.

Even the Activision employees said that boycotts aren't going to change anything and might do more harm than good. This just impact the workers' bonus.

Truth is, if WoW was in a good state or at it's prime time like FFXIV is now, many wouldn't bat an eye, since it doesn't serve their own narrative of treating a video game as some source of evil. People are just using a sad and grave situation to fuel their opinions about something that has little to do with it - a game.

Boycotting is the only thing that actually works. Anyone who is actually a serious person who is serious about making changes within a company like Blizzard would support a boycott of their products to communicate the desire for change within their company. Hitting them in their wallet is a tried and true method of getting a company to listen when all else has failed. An unserious person who is unserious about making changes within a company would oppose boycotts, however. Continuing to give said company money inspite of your complaints only communicates that they don't need to take your complaints seriously as you still continue to financially support them anyway. The only kind of person who would oppose a boycott is someone who is not a serious person who seriously desires any meaningful change.

Those workers should not be working at a company that they themselves claim to be so horrible that their own basic human rights are violated. Any serious person would immediately stop working for such a company and use their skillset to find work elsewhere within the same industry where they will be treated with the respect they deserve. An unserious person who doesn't actually care complains about workplace mistreatment and yet continues to work there. I have walked out on more jobs than I can even remember because I didn't like how I was treated. I have contacted government labour boards many, many a time over workplace rights violations without hesitation and won in every instance. I would never stay anywhere where my basic rights as a worker were being violated unless I didn't actually care. Because I am a serious person unlike the unserious workers still continuing to work for Blizzard in spite of their myriad complaints.

[Melorie]

I have zero sympathy for anyone still involved in that company, and neither should anyone else. The only good ending to all of this is if everyone top down, from management to developers, get canned and the entire company shut down and none of these people ever find work in the video game industry ever again.

Keep on treating everything as black and white then and good riddance. I'm not going to spend energy discussing with someone that literally chooses to view the victims as a bunch of "unserious people" that deserves no sympathy, I already said what I think about people with your sentiments anyway. I can only but feel sorry for seeing such narrow mindset being spread out as if is justice, but such is life, you encounter nasty everywhere.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Keep on treating everything as black and white then and good riddance. I'm not going to spend energy discussing with someone that literally chooses to view the victims as a bunch of "unserious people" that deserves no sympathy, I already said what I think about people with your sentiments anyway. I can only but feel sorry for seeing such narrow mindset being spread out as if is justice, but such is life, you encounter nasty everywhere.

Said victims are perfectly comfortable continuing to work at a company that supposedly victimizes them while there are many, many companies that would hire them that will not only NOT victimize them, but pay them much better. And at the same time, they are opposed to any serious actions that would actually push the company to make the changes they claim they want, and want people to continue giving money to the selfsame company that is supposedly victimizing them. Strange, isn't it? Why, it's almost as if......

[Y2K21]

Boycotting is the only thing that actually works.

It didnt even work, it was mostly done by the court litigations.

Said victims are perfectly comfortable continuing to work at a company that supposedly victimizes them while there are many, many companies that would hire them that will not only NOT victimize them, but pay them much better. Strange, isn't it? Why, it's almost as if......

This literally is a rehashed version of "well, why was she wearing that" argument.

[Melorie]

Said victims are perfectly comfortable continuing to work at a company that supposedly victimizes them while there are many, many companies that would hire them that will not only NOT victimize them, but pay them much better. And at the same time, they are opposed to any serious actions that would actually push the company to make the changes they claim they want, and want people to continue giving money to the selfsame company that is supposedly victimizing them. Strange, isn't it? Why, it's almost as if......

Were they comfortable? Do you know them? Do you know how the game dev industry works and if it's indeed so easy as just switching jobs to another place?

Do you even understand that the whole point of the Blizzard's lawsuit turned into a huge debate of how the gaming industry is degrading to workers in general, and how treating it as a Blizzard-problem is losing the point? People in the industry were literally ASKING people to realize that this isn't exclusive to Blizzard.
Besides, I did not see the workers asking people to give them money? They simply said boycotts doesn't work and mostly impact's workers bonus, which isn't a lie. Just because these crimes happened, this doesn't also mean that the projects they worked on weren't things they loved to do and poured their hard work on it, seeing people bashing the games because of this doesn't really help anyone.

It's almost if you are seeing the lawsuit as one more reason to hate Blizzard and everyone involved there, and doesn't really care about the victims. Actually, it's quite clear.

[YukikoKurosawa]

It didnt even work, it was mostly done by the court litigations.

Still boycotting is the most effective method for the simple reason that money talks.

This literally is a rehashed version of "well, why was she wearing that" argument.

Not even remotely comparable. There is zero reason they shoudl continue working at a company that they themselves claim is abusing them. Zero, nada, zilch. Leave the company, encourage everyone else to leave, and encourage boycotts, and take your skillset and move to another company that will treat you with the respect you deserve.

There is zero reason to continue staying at said company unless you don't actually have a problem with working there and have an ulterior motivation for your complaints instead. If it is so bad that your basic human rights are being violated, you are underpaid and overworked, and yet you continue to stay there inspite of there existing countless other companies in the same industry that you know will hire you and will treat you properly and pay you much better than one has to assume you don't actually have a problem and are in all likelyhood making stuff up for some ulterior motivation.

And I say this as someone who has experienced severe mistreatment, even violence, at the hands of coworker and management and yet in all instances I not only stopped working there I brought down the law on said companies because what was happening to me was actually real and not crap I made up on twitter and I take my own basic workplace/human rights seriously and act accordingly unlike the people who claim abuse at Blizzard yet still work there for no discernable reason. But I have a feel you're the type of person who is more interested in saying the socially acceptable thing to score brownie points with the right people without actually genuinely giving a crap about the causes you claim to care about.

Unlike you, I actually care and these kinds of issues, but I can tell when people don't care and are just pretending and when people are just making crap up for personal gain.