Thoughts on overpopulation, crafting nerfs, housing shortages, and MB deflation.

[GomezAddams]

I was absent during the second half of Shadowbringers, due to returning to college for a new degree. I came back a few weeks before Endwalker dropped, after the massive migration of the WoW players to this game. I can say with complete honesty that I'm beyond disappointed with the direction the game has gone.

The overpopulation is the most obvious problem. That, and the mass influx of a group of players with very little in the way of manners or common sense. I get that you, as a company, have had little experience with that type of customer/player, but you've done nothing to head of the idiocy that forced many of us to leave WoW years ago and come to you. I'm now seriously considering just giving this game up as a lost cause, and here's why.

1. You nerfed crafting, and then created that Firmament crap, encouraging every single player to become a crafter.

2. This caused the MB to become a fiery sh*tstorm of chaos. Things that had ALWAYS sold for nice prices are now worthless. Current crafted items are now worthless. The 580 gear that dropped 3 days ago is barely selling. There's 10x the number of items for sale versus the number of people buying. That tells me everyone is just making their own gear.

3. You ruined crafting and forced players to do that long Firmament grind to open new player housing, like we were having to EARN the right for more room, even though you offer housing as part of the game. To add insult to injury, there's STILL NO NEW HOUSING. It's bad enough you try to make us EARN what you advertise as part of the game. Then, you refuse to spend the money to buy the new servers to GIVE us the new housing. You are making more now than any time in your history with this game. Buy some damn used servers and stop trying to put your problems on us.

4. Carrying that further, it's your responsibility to ensure that you have the hardware to support your business. It's unfair, and UNETHICAL in a business sense, to force us to wait in queues and never get the ability to own a house, while you rake in record profits and refuse to to anything that requires you to spend a little a bit of money.

5. Put a floor on MB pricing. You have all the tools you need already in place. Make it IMPOSSIBLE for the WoW brats to undercut going prices just because they're impatient and don't understand basic economic principles. This is grade school stuff.

/Endrant

[Illmaeran]

I rather liked the idea of giving DoH and DoL the ability to use their skills to impact the world when restoring Ishgard. We've never had to *earn* housing. The Firmament was/is a narrative to give players a feeling of contributing to the world in a tangible way that's not killing things. We were going to get housing one way or the other, they just chose to give us a nice narrative thing to do.

Yes, crafting's very easy now. Yes, many people are doing it. Yes, there are individuals or small groups controlling the economies of every world out there. Yes, prices have dropped because of these factors. At first it bugged me that the items which used to sell for 100K are now selling for 30K, but it is what it is and we have to accept it or leave. I choose to accept it and adjust to the new paradigm as even the small millions of Gil I have are enough for me to do anything in the game that I want to.

Steady income from many smaller sales is the name of the game now rather than having the market on big ticket items cornered. They're still available if you're willing to buy the materials. The Rebel/Urban Coat is reliably going for about 800K on my server, which is a lot for us. We crafters just need to spend a bit of extra time finding a niche and then be patient.

[NegativeS]

The overpopulation is the most obvious problem.

They've done what they can to help curb the effects of overpopulation, but short of direct intervention into the game (something which many players, including myself, would loathe)...

You nerfed crafting, and then created that Firmament crap, encouraging every single player to become a crafter.

Thats... a bad thing? More players feeding into the economy is a bad thing?

This caused the MB to become a fiery sh*tstorm of chaos. Things that had ALWAYS sold for nice prices are now worthless. Current crafted items are now worthless. The 580 gear that dropped 3 days ago is barely selling. There's 10x the number of items for sale versus the number of people buying. That tells me everyone is just making their own gear.

You do know that there are other ways to make money than crafting gear, right?

Also, that sounds like a server problem. Gear still sells like hotcakes on Midgardsormr.

You ruined crafting and forced players to do that long Firmament grind to open new player housing, like we were having to EARN the right for more room, even though you offer housing as part of the game. To add insult to injury, there's STILL NO NEW HOUSING. It's bad enough you try to make us EARN what you advertise as part of the game. Then, you refuse to spend the money to buy the new servers to GIVE us the new housing. You are making more now than any time in your history with this game.

Would you say something like this, then spin 180 degrees and complain about the lack of content were the Firmament not a thing?

I have not heard a single complaint about the Firmament up to this point, nor a single complaint about the introduction of Ishgardian housing. The fact that they're giving players a way to interact with something like this in the first place is a W in my book.

Though I do agree that we need more housing, or an overhaul to the housing system in general.

Buy some damn used servers and stop trying to put your problems on us.

This is just ignorant.

Carrying that further, it's your responsibility to ensure that you have the hardware to support your business. It's unfair, and UNETHICAL in a business sense, to force us to wait in queues and never get the ability to own a house, while you rake in record profits and refuse to to anything that requires you to spend a little a bit of money.

Bro, the only 'UNETHICAL' thing here is you completely ignoring the pile of 'we're sorry, we're trying to fix it, please don't hate us' posts from Yoshi-P and the team. If you're that worried about how they act in a 'business sense,' then why don't you act in a 'business sense' and stop giving them your money?

Also, [Insert something about semiconductors]

Put a floor on MB pricing. You have all the tools you need already in place. Make it IMPOSSIBLE for the WoW brats to undercut going prices just because they're impatient and don't understand basic economic principles. This is grade school stuff.

This is how you kill the economy.

Is the floor the same for every item, or does it scale based on rarity?

Are the piles of garbage items useful for levelling crafting going to increase their prices tenfold because you're mad that the game is popular?

Suddenly half of all items are unsellable, as people can just go to a lvl 10 area themselves to slaughter mobs instead of burning a hole in the bottom of their pocket. Congrats.

[Vahlnir]

1. You nerfed crafting, and then created that Firmament crap, encouraging every single player to become a crafter.

Probably one of the best decisions they've ever made. Crafting should be readily available and accessible to everyone.

[Kokonji]

1. You nerfed crafting, and then created that Firmament crap, encouraging every single player to become a crafter.

Which is a good thing, make crafting more accessible to general player while retain it's uniqueness,
firmament is just a special content exclusively for DoH/DoL, you know, something something content for non raider..

2. This caused the MB to become a fiery sh*tstorm of chaos. Things that had ALWAYS sold for nice prices are now worthless. Current crafted items are now worthless. The 580 gear that dropped 3 days ago is barely selling. There's 10x the number of items for sale versus the number of people buying. That tells me everyone is just making their own gear.

Also a good thing, player driven economy does working as intended, more demand will raise the price, and vice versa.
Also it is good that goods is sold quickly at mb with reasonable price, don't you think ?

3. You ruined crafting and forced players to do that long Firmament grind to open new player housing, like we were having to EARN the right for more room, even though you offer housing as part of the game. To add insult to injury, there's STILL NO NEW HOUSING. It's bad enough you try to make us EARN what you advertise as part of the game. Then, you refuse to spend the money to buy the new servers to GIVE us the new housing. You are making more now than any time in your history with this game. Buy some damn used servers and stop trying to put your problems on us.

Firmament is a special content for DoH/DoL, the housing is just sort of reward for doing that.
Isn't that exiting, your char as DoH/DoL have some kind of contribution (that is not fighting) on creating housing district ?
also that is a neat way to give reason and narrative how Ishgard could have its housing district back and open after being razed in the dragonsong war

4. Carrying that further, it's your responsibility to ensure that you have the hardware to support your business. It's unfair, and UNETHICAL in a business sense, to force us to wait in queues and never get the ability to own a house, while you rake in record profits and refuse to to anything that requires you to spend a little a bit of money.

already explained multiple times in so many another threads and other media, not gonna talk about this...

5. Put a floor on MB pricing. You have all the tools you need already in place. Make it IMPOSSIBLE for the WoW brats to undercut going prices just because they're impatient and don't understand basic economic principles. This is grade school stuff.

soo... you don't want player driven economy..?
also, undercutting have been there longer than wow exodus, so calling wow brats for undercutting is a bit misdirected

[Faafetai]

My favorite is working hard to get the materials for something and someone comes onto the market to sell the same thing for 1 gil. I suppose I could just buy them out, but I always wonder why. Why did you sell that for 1 gil it gets worse though when the market is pretty good for something and someone undercuts by a lot! On my server everyone is pretty good with some of the craftable materials, and usually would sell about the same amount to keep the market the same. There is always that one person week later that drops the entire value by alot. The only good things I have noticed is usually they will leave that market within a bit of time, so I just stop selling and look for something else.

It is the worst I think with gatherables, because everyone is selling those. I have been sticking to craftable things because it is impossible. So if you're a sprout your boned when you try to sell you meager eft meats in hopes of getting some extra gil early on. On the up side at least when getting into crafting many of the mats are affordable.

[KageTokage]

I do rather dislike that the devs are actively trying to tank prices by routinely making fluff items like minions and glam wear from older content available from things like quick ventures and lockboxes; to such an extent that not even items introduced within the current expansion are safe from being "demoted" in such fashion. It's a rather bizarre decision when considering that they've expressed discontent with how much gil is in the game, because having a greater amount of expensive items in circulation means more removal of gil via taxation.

If you have something that's rare but desirable, people will seek it out and sell to carve out a niche for themselves in the economy.

[Batbrat]

New housing is coming in 6.1. Crafters still make gil, just not through marketboards.
More servers will be in use right after you link where to find them.
Glad I could clear up your questions, thanks for posting!

[Illmaeran]

My favorite is working hard to get the materials for something and someone comes onto the market to sell the same thing for 1 gil.

These listings crack me up. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people listing things for 1 Gil and/or well under vendor price. They're literally losing money on the listing! If the difference in vendor vs. list price is enough, I'll buy them out and vendor them. Chances are the listing was a troll and there's no better way to beat a MB troll than to cost them money by buying their items out when the MB fees will be higher than the amount I paid.

[Kuroka]

/signed

It sucks, i just said f that and bought my 3-4 pieces of crafted gear, i dont bother to meld or gather or buy mats, idc anymore, it feels empty... even more as ik my retainer will bring me that gear at 6.1 or 6.2 latest...


IF i werent against such things id love to make an bot that grabs everything thats x% blow venor price and resells it... would be milloins of gil lol.


-IMO make it so the mb just insta "swallows" such sales. Everything thats below vendor gets insta sold to the mb for the lower price.