Addersgall idea for when you are capped but have no-one to heal

[Alcimus]

Hey everyone, something I have been thinking about for the last little bit is how to allow Sage to use Addersgall when no-one needs heavy healing. Granted I haven't done any taxing content on it yet but here's some food for thought and I hope a discussion

What if we let Eukrasia interact with Druochole and Ixochole? making them heal for roughly 1/2 as much but shielding for 200% of the amount healed? Potency values would of course need to be balanced but by having them be Eukrasia'd then they are technically on the GCD and imo would need to be stronger than their normal counterparts but not so crazy as to make casting them on the GCD as the only option.

What do you all think?

[Crossu]

Transform it into the one that you get from breaking the shield.

Broken? Maybe.
Fun? I hope so.

[Alcimus]

Didn't even think of having the Toxicon procs on there, but that would def make it more fun to cast these

[Risvertasashi]

Could be a good way to give something to spend it on, without creating Energy Drain-esque problems that scholar has.

[Havenchild]

tbh, I don't understand why this isn't a thing. It feels weird to press healing actions just to get MP when no one needs HP in the party.

Which implies then that by design there should be a resource to burn extra stacks. It's akin to when they released SCH without Energy Drain in Shadowbringers and it was a funky few weeks.

[OtakuSempai]

Could be a good way to give something to spend it on, without creating Energy Drain-esque problems that scholar has.

What problems? Is it so mindbongingly weird and complicated that spending your resources on *gasp* damage when you don't need to heal?

And we wonder why healers are so braindead to play.

[QooEr]

i mean if you dont have anything to heal....... whats the point of shielding then? this would fix nothing

just burn a druochole on a random person if youre about to overcap. I personally think it would be way better if the addersgall timer still progressed at 3 stacks so you didnt have to always be at 2 or less.

[Alcimus]

An example of what I was thinking about for this is during fights its not uncommon for you to have 20-30 seconds of downtime when you are just doing the dance of the fight with minimal unavoidable damage coming in. During these phases its not difficult to cap out your stacks and this would allow for you to get something out of your resource instead of wasting the heal on someone already at (or near to) full hp. If we could use our charges to give people shields that last for the normal 30s that would give you at least something for the resource instead of overhealing just to keep your MP income going.

[Connor]

Please no Energy Drain for Sage, I don’t want another entire job mechanic to be completely dominated by a single skill. No job should have a mechanic whose sole purpose is ‘if you use me for my intended purpose you are bad at your job’

I mean, there’s a reason people don’t use Aetherflow healing without Recitation to make it free, and it’s not because the abilities are weak lol.
If Sage had an Addersgall dps dump you’d just never see a Sage using the Addersgall heals ever again. I mean, it’s already hard enough to get Scholars to use their massive amounts of free oGCD heals because they just Energy Drain it all away lol. And I mean, why wouldn’t they when there’s so little to heal anyway. I honestly think people would use Recitation with Energy Drain if it was possible for a dps gain.

I really don’t want to see Sage going down the same route. I mean, if we actually had things to heal and there was any actual decision between ‘Energy Drain Equivalent’ and ‘Job Resource’ I could maybe support it. But with current encounter design anything healers have that can be used for dps must be used for dps, because really, what else are you gonna do with it lol.

Making over-capped Addersgall convert into Addersting would be a much better way to deal with the issue. And since Toxicon II is has no MP cost, wouldn’t having more charges of it indirectly increase Sage’s MP recovery if they’re unable to use Addersgall without overhealing?

[Alcimus]

hmmm, if we allow for the charges over 3 to convert into toxicon then isn't it just another way to have the same e-drain issue go on too? Cause then instead of just using the resource for damage directly then it becomes "don't use this resource cause if you don't touch it you do more aoe damage or can move more"? Don't forget that toxicon has the same potency as dosis, so getting charges of that just make your single target instant cast. To keep from running into e-drain like heartburn we probably need to keep addersgall completely separated from damage (save for maybe having the "if shield breaks gain a toxicon charge" mechanic). :/