Does SGE need potency buffs?

[AnotherPerson]

Only thing that really needs a buff is SGE's Icarus and Toxikon I (Toxikon II is okay at the moment). Either 2 charges or a lower cooldown on the gap closer will fix the issue of SGE having a really long cd on their gapcloser. Toxikon I is currently only used as a mobility tool with DPS loss, even in AoE because Dykrasia I is 160 potency whereas Toxikon I is 240 + 50% falloff AoE. You basically use Toxikon I with 2 targets (360 potency), and only 2 targets, which is a rare occurrence. Dosis does 300 potency. Dykrasia does 320 potency on 2 targets, and only does more on 3+. Thus, there is very little point in building Toxikon I up.

Toxikon II removes the issue of being a direct DPS loss since it's DPS Neutral with Dosis III (unless you're forcefully trying to develop stacks during combat instead of pre-pull and transitions).

SGE isn't meant to be a 1 to 1 duplicate of SCH. They're different jobs, so their skills have different caveats when working together. SGE has Taurochole + Addersgall regenerating every 20 seconds as opposed to SCH having Excogitation with a 3 aetherflow per 60 seconds. As the speed of resource generation differs, so does the order in which you cycle resources. Rizomata generates 1 addersgall, which can be spent for any addersgall skill - including SCH's Sacred Soil Equivalent. They can also use this ability to hold addersgall for a longer duration. SCH cannot, as Recitation will expire after a certain period of time. Instead they can force a crit on Succor/Adlo/Indomitability/Excog.

SCH has Dissipation, which works as a recovery tool when everything horribly wrong, or as a DPS tool. SGE has Soteria and overall stronger mitigation-to-healing in their regular healing rotation when stacking with your enhanced healing action buffs (Physis II and Krasis stacking together can superbuff your heals), which generally prevents them from ever reaching that scenario in the first place.

[Deceptus]

SCH has Dissipation, which works as a recovery tool when everything horribly wrong, or as a DPS tool. SGE has Soteria and overall stronger mitigation-to-healing in their regular healing rotation when stacking with your enhanced healing action buffs (Physis II and Krasis stacking together can superbuff your heals), which generally prevents them from ever reaching that scenario in the first place.

Not trying to be an ass, but at this point and IMHO, Dissipation needs to stop being thought of as a DPS tool. You're losing massive amounts of OGCD healing for less than a broil if you blow them all on Energy Drain and you lose your fairy to boot.

I hate dissipation as it is, but to use it as a dps tool seems even more silly with as nerfed as Energy Drain has become.

[AnotherPerson]

Not trying to be an ass, but at this point and IMHO, Dissipation needs to stop being thought of as a DPS tool. You're losing massive amounts of OGCD healing for less than a broil if you blow them all on Energy Drain and you lose your fairy to boot.

I hate dissipation as it is, but to use it as a dps tool seems even more silly with as nerfed as Energy Drain has become.

No, I definitely agree with you. With the way Dissipation works, it's really either just a very weak potency increase when you know there's going to be no incoming damage, or a recovery tool. Fights are generally tuned to not need that much healing from both healers, which is what enables Dissipation to work for both situations. There's just a lot more caveats and risks than reward with Dissipation imo, and the amount of healing Dissipation locks you out of makes the skill feel terrible at times as a DPS tool.

[Kabooa]

One change I would like for Toxikon is turning it into a 4 hit, 85 (340) potency spell, meaning it could cause Kardia to activate 4 times. Really sell that multiple hit aesthetic that's going on. This allows you to amp up your Kardia power when needed, adding another consideration to using it, and giving more reason to find places you can stock it up for minimal cost. It also gives you an emergency resource to spend if the tank starts eating dirt.

Regarding toxikon's actual power, I think Addersting needs more sources. Haima and Panhaima should each grant 1 per use, either when the effect expires completely or when a shield breaks / consumed.

Further in mind, Pepsis should also be able to consume Pan/Haima, 1 stack, to trigger its effect, as well as count for gaining Addersting.

These should be fairly tame but well rounded additions to the sage kit, IMO.

[Bsrking5]

The only buff i want is for icarus to have 2 charges and/or it to not a have cooldown outside of combat.

[Liam_Harper]

Toxicon being a GCD makes it a perfect movement tool, there just needs to be better or more ways to access it.

For example, allow Toxicon to be used with Addersgall and Addersting simply becomes "make your next Toxicon(s) free" stacks. Now you've got a useful Addersgall dump that's still dps neutral and doesn't discourage you from healing with it.

If that gives the class too much mobility, I like the idea of Haima and Panhaima triggering it. Rhizo should also generate a Sting. Should be plenty.

[RulerOfPotaoes]

Imo they need to Rework Pepsis.

(I would increase the Cooldown to 60 secs and make Pepsis apply a effect to heal when the Sage shield breaks. If the shield doesn't break then no heal is applied.

If the players within the 15y radius dont have any shields On then the Skill 'Misses')

This would entince players to proactively use Pepsis more frequently & before incoming damage. And having the skill Miss if you didnt applied shields first would give the skill some thought before usage.

[EaMett]

Sage plays great in all content. It's really well balanced IMO and certainly should not be buffed in any way. If anything the only justified nerf I could see would be in it's DPS potency.
Otherwise, prog is probably its biggest weakness and it's not that bad. Addersgale stacks and having them linked to the gcd is actually really well balanced and is central to your gameplay in raids, and easy enough to obtain in dungeons.

The only issue the job has is a lack of sustained HPS. Which isn't an issue in 99% of content, but feels really bad in the 1% that do require it from you (p4s last set of mechanics anyone?). But that's kinda the point and the flavor of the job.

I've been really satisfied so far.

PS: pepsis could use some love.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I'd just like to have Rizomata do something more interesting than just giving 1 extra 700 MP.

Maybe give 1 free Addersting in addition to Addersgall.
Maybe lower the cooldown and turn it into a button to convert unneeded Addersgall into Addersting stacks while also preventing its usage outside combat so a SGE doesn't lock a party into 60s prepull timer.
Or maybe (unrelated to Rizomata entirely) create the 5th Addersgall button that restore MP and give themselves a minor buff.

And I have to agree the Pepsis is rather underwhelming; that 30s cooldown doesn't seem to justify what it offers.

[Miziliti]

I still find SGE's entire kit a bit of a joke. I constantly have double oGCD AoE heals to make sure party doesn't die on the next raid-wide after. Where as when I play SCH, one Indom and some fairy passive heals can easily breeze through. Add Recitaion+Indom and my co-healer don't even need to heal. SGE is fun and all, but one day some people are gonna be fed up with having to babysit with stacking low potency heals all the time.