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  1. #1
    Player
    Altera's Avatar
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    Chandani Aranka
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    Odin
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Flatopia View Post
    I think the idea of pure dps and gradients of support dps is fine, I just think the balance in terms of damage is a bit funky right now. Personally, I like black mage being just about blowing enemies up and would hate to see that philosophy go.
    Well considering RPR and MNK now seems to do same and better damange than BLM, i fear groups will start to deny BLMs access to party groups like they did in Stormblood. Why bring a pure DPS without party buffs and utilities when they can bring RPR who gives party damage buffs, and AOE heal Dot which is strong and has a way better chance of damage uptime considering how much movement there is in the Savage fight. Even double Triple cast and Swiftcast isnt enough for some of the movements needed for max uptime unless utilize procs and such very efficiently. But that could mean having to way using them incase you have to move etc

    If they do not balance BLM/MNK/RPR/SAM before 6.1, I will not be pleased if i start to see PF start denying me access again when i wanna do things on my own outside my static
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    Kawaiian Punch
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Probably not. Addle's already one of the best role actions as it is, so I don't see them feeling a need to give BLM more, especially given it's got a strong fanbase who really just want to throw fire.
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I feel that BLM is very well realized with its party contribution at the expense of having more dps... However, I would welcome a lot more personal utiity. Like another charge from Manaward, or a new 3-minute self cleanse from a stack of vulnerabiity.

    It would be cool if Leylines were some sort of beacon that would leave aetherial residue so you could always Between the Lines back to its position until you would set a new one.
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    Zira Zira
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    Jenova
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I feel that BLM is very well realized with its party contribution at the expense of having more dps... However, I would welcome a lot more personal utiity. Like another charge from Manaward, or a new 3-minute self cleanse from a stack of vulnerabiity.

    It would be cool if Leylines were some sort of beacon that would leave aetherial residue so you could always Between the Lines back to its position until you would set a new one.
    What more dps?
    at this point every job should have party utility, including NIN, DRG, BLM and SAM if they are gonna keep the dps-utility system so unbalanced.
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    Anacrusys Halestorm
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    It would be cool if Leylines were some sort of beacon that would leave aetherial residue so you could always Between the Lines back to its position until you would set a new one.
    I think BLM should have a teleport forward ability on a short CD. Useable while casting but can’t go through obstacles. Why restrict movement back to a fixed spot. This also eliminates the advantage one player has over another with respect to fight knowledge.
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    Saizo Yatsurugi
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    Malboro
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I feel that BLM is very well realized with its party contribution at the expense of having more dps... However, I would welcome a lot more personal utiity. Like another charge from Manaward, or a new 3-minute self cleanse from a stack of vulnerabiity.

    It would be cool if Leylines were some sort of beacon that would leave aetherial residue so you could always Between the Lines back to its position until you would set a new one.
    Another charge on Manaward would be great. I'd like it if they made it so Aetherial Manipulation (the roller skates power) could be used on enemies like Sage's Icarus.
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Aztectornado View Post
    I'm leveling Black Mage now since the Summoner changes made me feel like I need a different, more in-depth sorta caster class to play with, and at level 62 now I still feel a little wanting for something extra. I think that mostly stems from the fact I seem to only have GCDs outside of a few personal buffs like Leylines and Sharpcast, and no party buff to grant to others.

    Which is odd since I thought BLM was historically always the offensive buff guy in the Final Fantasy series? I mean, I've not played EVERY game in the series, but in FF1, the only time when my party Black Mage didn't have the Boost spell was when I hadn't gotten to a town with it yet, and in FF9 I adored Vivi's elemental combos with Steiner. Both would be valid options for a 15-20s buff like most DPS seem to carry but-...

    For some reason BLM is the 'selfish' DPS class that only contributes big damage to the group. Why is that? It has to be an intentional design choice given how long it's been in the game, but I can't imagine why this job, of all things, is the only one that lacks any sort of party utility. Especially given both the other casters get Raise somehow! (Even Blue Mage sorta does, and that's not even a full fledged job!)

    When will Square let me catch my Dark Knight's sword on fire, and/or fill the Dragoon with even more bloodlust?
    As someone who's played every final fantasy, I have to say Black Mages that offer any sort of support are by far the outliers in the series. FFI had Boost, yeah, but that's kind of it. I wouldn't really call Steiner's magic sword a form of Vivi's Support, more just exactly that, a combo attack. Black Mages have had debuffs that could be considered utility like sleep and slow, but those were pretty rarely effective and largely inferior to just blasting enemies with your most powerful spells.
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Faerie
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    As someone who's played every final fantasy, I have to say Black Mages that offer any sort of support are by far the outliers in the series. FFI had Boost, yeah, but that's kind of it. I wouldn't really call Steiner's magic sword a form of Vivi's Support, more just exactly that, a combo attack. Black Mages have had debuffs that could be considered utility like sleep and slow, but those were pretty rarely effective and largely inferior to just blasting enemies with your most powerful spells.
    I'm with you there.... I've played all of them and am having a hard time thinking of what dedicated black mages offered support, and the best I could come up with was Lulu's reflex and focus skills. So if anything I could see black mages getting something like focus for the whole party since it would still be a largely selfish skill. It might buff paladin, healers, and ninjas if used at the right time, but unless you're running two casters, that's about it.
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Famfrit
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    Paladin Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by Anacrusys View Post
    I think BLM should have a teleport forward ability on a short CD. Useable while casting but can’t go through obstacles. Why restrict movement back to a fixed spot. This also eliminates the advantage one player has over another with respect to fight knowledge.
    Hard disagree. What's the point of knowing a fight if every Tom, Dick, and Harry can do the same thing as an experienced player by just winging it?
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    Anacrusys Halestorm
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I was strictly referring to leyline placement as the only spot you can move back to, and how fight knowledge affects it more than any other movement skill in the game. What other job has to move back to an exact spot? Exp. A first time on the boss dancer can dash anywhere like an experienced dancer. A first time on the boss BLM has an extra disadvantage in not knowing where to drop leylines. In sum, fight knowledge affects BLM far more than any other job. Okay, let’s forget about the fight knowledge aspect. Moving on.

    The teleport forward would be far superior to between the lines. It would also allow them to remove 1-2 other hot keys (if you guys agree) and replace them with more interesting skills. I’m assuming they added xenoglossy and amplifier because everyone complained about movement. amplifier is a wasted unecesssary hot key they could replace

    If you added the teleport, you could remove between the lines, xeno, and amplifier and add two new cool skills. Or at least amplifier if you want to keep xeno. Lastly, it would also be nice if your cast would finish wherever you teleported to. So teleporting mid cast would not interrupt the cast. I know it would work extremely well.
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    Last edited by Anacrusys; 01-09-2022 at 01:07 AM.

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