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    ***SPOILERS*** Question about the very last cutscene ***SPOILERS***

    After exiting The Rising Stones for the very last time and chatting with the Scions, the WoL catches a glimpse of Meteion flying off, presumably to explore the world, similar to Alpha.

    My question is, isn't Meteion a potentially world-ending threat with massive power? I know she's back to being more or less a sweet, innocent child (I guess?) with the death of the Endsinger, but she is still a being that is driven and manipulated by dynamis unless I missed something, which is entirely possible. I feel like the WoL should be keeping tabs on her, or at least have someone or some organization keep track of her.

    Because in a way, Etheirys is just as bleak as the universe with various cultures and peoples clashing against each other and hating each other. The utopic world Meteion knew 12,000 years ago no longer exists. What's going to happen when she discovers how messed up and fractured the star has become?
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    In random bullet points:

    We've convinced her to change over to blue hope birb, even when faced with bad vibes.

    Her power level was mostly due to her numbers she had in her hivemind. We've basically killed off all but one at the end. In singular form shes probably a non-threat.

    Its implied its her, but never outright stated. By the flow of conversation its possible she died some time shortly before /during we returned from Ultima Thule, and its just a random or metaphorical birb at the end.
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    Last edited by Lersayil; 01-06-2022 at 08:05 AM.

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    After wiping out the rest of the universe and spending tens of thousands of years crusading against Etheirys, she is the biggest mass murderer in the history of ever. We shanked people for less. Yes, there is nothing stopping her from flying to the edge of the universe and stirring up the dynamis of the universe against Etheirys again, and she might not even have the tracking spell Venat placed upon her anymore so if she does that then the heroes would never be able to find her (unless they can science how dynamis works and figure out where the dynamis is being stirred up from).
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    She said that after the "Song of Hope" she would never raise her voice again, so I assume she either passed away or has simply made a vow of silence to never manipulate Dynamis again.
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    It's important to remember that the Meteion that we interacted with both in Elpis and after the Endsinger battle was a component of a hivemind that had her free will suppressed by the collective. Any time she was able to act under her own agency she would plead with the gestalt meteion to leave us alone, and begged us to protect the people she loved from her sisters.

    Is she morally culpable for the actions of her sisters? I lean towards no. As for the bird in the ending cutscene, I think it's largely up to interpretation. Though I like to think in some way a hopeful, benevolent meteion is watching the people of Ethyris now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KariTheFox View Post
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    Is she morally culpable for the actions of her sisters? I lean towards no.
    ...
    Now there's a controversial discussion waiting to happen. Did I miss the flaming threads discussing this, or did it just fly under the radar? Personally I would also lean no, but for different reasons (really, its all Hermes' fault).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lersayil View Post
    Now there's a controversial discussion waiting to happen. Did I miss the flaming threads discussing this, or did it just fly under the radar? Personally I would also lean no, but for different reasons (really, its all Hermes' fault).
    hermes is the ultimate hypocritical villain this expansion. When he didn't get the answer he wanted he urged the hivemind to end it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidurgu-12 View Post
    hermes is the ultimate hypocritical villain this expansion. When he didn't get the answer he wanted he urged the hivemind to end it all.
    I might have to rewatch the cutscene, but I don't think he so much 'urged it' as 'agreed with it'. Which is still GROSSLY terrible, but 'inventing the concept of omnicide' is rather a worse crime than just thinking it sounds like a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidurgu-12 View Post
    hermes is the ultimate hypocritical villain this expansion. When he didn't get the answer he wanted he urged the hivemind to end it all.
    Worse I think. He was depressed, and when faced with despair, decided that his civilization as a whole should also feel that way, and they don't deserve to live unless they pass his utterly unfair "test". If he actually just wanted the world to end I'd hate his train of thought much less...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lersayil View Post
    Worse I think. He was depressed, and when faced with despair, decided that his civilization as a whole should also feel that way, and they don't deserve to live unless they pass his utterly unfair "test". If he actually just wanted the world to end I'd hate his train of thought much less...
    On the one hand, yes, Hermes was in pain and that caused him to enact atrocities. But on the other hand, why didn't the society of the ancients have therapists? Why did thier culture seem to push people towards being isolated in thier pain?
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