They need to find a way to detect XIV Alexander and ban people

[elizeugba]

Just looked up the tools mentioned here with very easy google, and the one I've known about for a while-

I wouldn't categorize many of these as minuscule in benefits, if not I'd consider some of them insane QoL improvements (or maybe a bit 'cheaty' but at least not so much that it's into someone elses space). I'd also note it appears a lot of these different tools / devs are actively trying not to mess with other player's experience, just improve the experience for those who use it.

Here some that stuck out at me as I went through ones I've learned here or via reddit (mostly via reddit to be honest):

• Put housing objects where and how you want without having to deal with glitches
• Turn your combos into stuff that looks like pvp combos
• Deadly Boss mod (tells you what is coming up and sometimes what to do to deal with the mechanic)
• Notifications for skills and events (like if a player uses provoke, someone dies, you have a skill off cooldown, etc)
• Marks players that have debuffable debuffs, mark players that can be raised or if someone else is raising them
• Tells you you and others damage (parse)
• Check the market without being near the market
• Tell you when hunts are spotted and where they are exactly (based on community data I guess, so it's not a perfect system)
• Reduce a hardcoded animation lock so you can double and triple weave
• Hide or change players (graphics in general)
• Modify UI elements (though that should be obvious by this point)
• Help you play cactpot
• Help you play Triple Triad (NPCs only) - I want to note here that is is pretty interesting that developers self control their works to try and not to ruin other player's experience. Kind of sweet/cute.
• Info in deep dungeons
• Show exactly where your trigger pixel is so you can dodge AoE's insanely well
• More powerful UI features in general like filtering spam, blocklist, teleport ease, etc.
• Macros that can call other macros or be as long as you'd like
• Improved mouse over macros

• Most epic one I saw, adds chat bubbles.. XD

I use the chat bubbles one, it is really great and I would hate not having them anymore

[Krojack]

It can also adjust their ping to be near zero, allowing them to hit skills/nodes much faster than others.

If it states this then it's a scam. There is literally no way to do this.

[RobynDaBank]

If it states this then it's a scam. There is literally no way to do this.

That's not what a scam is, though... That'd be a different word.

[ErryK]

itt: op is a conspiracy theorist.

[Conundrum]

Is it time for the weekly whine about mods thread again already?


(actually, only being weekly would be a big reduction)

[Kandraxx]

Uhm, no. It doesn’t tell you where the numbers are, because it does know as much as you. All it does is fishing for possible 1-2-3 or 7-8-9 lines, which you would do regardless as any other reward is a joke.

Also way to complain about mundane things like that in a game that hands you out 560 gear for free at the hub.

[Shialan]

I already wondered when we would get another troll thread like this. The German one already died down 2 days ago. And it's always the same argument: Software doing something these people are too lazy to do in their head.


Everything these tools do can also be done with many websites. Cactpot? This is literally math and probability. Crafting rotations? Still literally math after reading your skill descriptions. DPS rotations? You got it: math. Also, where is the difference from a programm showing you what to press and following a rotation from some guide on the website? Everything these plugins do, you can do on yourself with Excel or a calculator. Yoshi-P even said so in the Q&A about third-party tools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_i6mjiGerU

You people really need to watch AND understand this video.

[Shougun]

All that stuff should be in the game by default. A shame that players have to create plugins for that.

Some of those maybe not, like the triple triad that basically holds your hand- that'd be weird for SE to self design... but also if it was a part of some sort of addon that was allowed (like WoW's) I'd not mind either.

Though just to make sure we're on the same page that idea that these exist doesn't bother me, the idea that they do nothing, are not helpful, are not substantial, that people are playing them down WAY WAY TOO MUCH, is what kind of gets me. Many of these provide a level of information that you'd never have, even if you tried, because they're just not that kind of player (few might be, but I'd wager most are not). They're not a running computer able to handle all that information so quickly and delicately. It easily provides features that you can't just "think about on your own".

These addons ABSOLUTELY under, imo, no possible argument, provide substantial boosts to QoL, information, and in some ways actual gameplay too (though like Alexander their feature boost to gameplay only helps make things more fair, which is honestly a good thing). They are powerful, there is thousands of volunteer hours spent on them- they're not nothing. Maybe not evil cheaty hax, but they're NOT nothing.

I don't appreciate people pretending that it's all something you can do in your head or whatever. Seems dishonest or perhaps ignorance on the amount of power some of those tools can offer, imo.

[Shialan]

So, you are against everything that makes it easier for players to do stuff. Are you then also against all these fan sites that are out there? Who help you create crafting rotations or show you the most efficient route of gathering materials? Who have timer for gathering nodes or FATE spawns? Which use math and probability to "solve" cactpot?


Because if you are not against them, you are a hypocrite.

[Lucyfurr1988]

So, you are against everything that makes it easier for players to do stuff. Are you then also against all these fan sites that are out there? Who help you create crafting rotations or show you the most efficient route of gathering materials? Who have timer for gathering nodes or FATE spawns? Which use math and probability to "solve" cactpot?


Because if you are not against them, you are a hypocrite.

THIS. All of this