They need to find a way to detect XIV Alexander and ban people

[Packetdancer]

Just want to make sure people aren't going around saying Yoshida greenlit third party tools so long as you don't say their name three times lol.

There are a handful of exceptions; they did actually more-or-less greenlight ReShade (and its derivatives). This forum's search engine is godawful, so I don't want to go try to find the thread right now, but there's a thread here in the English forums from several years back where they detailed their position; I've linked it before, so presumably it can be located again if anyone's really determined.

Admittedly, it wasn't so much "we give this our blessing" as they said that while technically it would be against a strict reading of the TOS they would never enforce it, since ReShade provides no gameplay advantage -- save maybe "increasing contrast to help colorblind folks see mechanics" -- and generally just gets used artistically, and so to feel free to enjoy it.

And they actually gave Nvidia's ReShade fork (Freestyle) the blessing officially; if you go to the Freestyle page on Nvidia's site, you'll see FFXIV listed in the officially-supported games for Freestyle. So if you have Nvidia Experience installed, you've already got ReShade -- or Freestyle, anyway -- active while running FFXIV right now; just hit Alt+F2 to bring it up in-game!

[Shougun]

There are a handful of exceptions; they did actually more-or-less greenlight ReShade (and its derivatives). This forum's search engine is godawful, so I don't want to go try to find the thread right now, but there's a thread here in the English forums from several years back where they detailed their position; I've linked it before, so presumably it can be located again if anyone's really determined.

Admittedly, it wasn't so much "we give this our blessing" as they said that while technically it would be against a strict reading of the TOS they would never enforce it, since ReShade provides no gameplay advantage -- save maybe "increasing contrast to help colorblind folks see mechanics" -- and generally just gets used artistically, and so to feel free to enjoy it.

And they actually gave Nvidia's ReShade fork (Freestyle) the blessing officially; if you go to the Freestyle page on Nvidia's site, you'll see FFXIV listed in the officially-supported games for Freestyle. So if you have Nvidia Experience installed, you've already got ReShade -- or Freestyle, anyway -- active while running FFXIV right now; just hit Alt+F2 to bring it up in-game!

That's true, though in context of this thread specifically we would both agree it's not the case aye?

I mean if we were going for most accurate I probably should have mentioned reshade, I do recall they said that 'one' is fine lol, but certainly in case of this thread saying you use any one of the tools mentioned is grounds for punishment.

[Koldan]

How do you know they set their parameters to match yours? How do you know they dont reduce it to negative to tripple weave (you can see plenty of parses where DRG tripple weave jumps)? It all creates unfair environment. All tools that improve game client and game functions do that, expecially for console players. All of that should be disabled on dev lvl or made baseline simple as that (hide game packets or something, its not our job to figure it out)

[QooEr]

How do you know they set their parameters to match yours? How do you know they dont reduce it to negative to tripple weave (you can see plenty of parses where DRG tripple weave jumps)?

fflogs can easily detect if someone is cheating like this, and they invalidate your parse and even ban you from the site. its not hard to put 2 and 2 together and see if you used *any* action sooner than what is supposed to be possible. even more subtle things like movement speed hacks can be detected in a log

[UkcsAlias]

its not hard to put 2 and 2 together and see if you used *any* action sooner than what is supposed to be possible. even more subtle things like movement speed hacks can be detected in a log

Those tools will just delay the information to the first visible clue as counter measure. It then just amplifies the effect of the animation. Which is again impossible to detect.

Note that even in tournaments detecting cheats is already difficult, because pro cheaters simply make their tools apply minimal aid. These tools for example can smooth an animation in such way that if you moved your mouse towards the enemy chest, it correct it that it moves towards the head. The player still has to respond properly, and perform the motion relatively accurately before the tool kicks in. But that 5% extra that they get can be enough to give them the win, while being extremely difficult to detect. And this is because those tools simply use the information that the player can already see. Sure, the tool knows more, but it doesnt always mean the player sees that. Even just things like footsteps can be made like 10% louder depending on the position to give a player more awareness of players behind a wall. Cheaters can go realy far to avoid detection, and in most cases they will succeed simply because they never reach those tournaments in skill. And as their behaviour stays relatively normal, even if they use it on stream, viewers wont be able to detect it at all.

It gets worse when players also learned to counter recoil in shooters, as some players are very well capable of pulling the mouse down in such way they negate recoil entirely. The human body can teach these things in reflexes quite well.

[Koldan]

Its not up to fflogs to monitor and moderate situation, it should be made baseline or disabled in the game itself. Dont need to ban people, just make cheating like that impossible.

[Shurrikhan]

Its not up to fflogs to monitor and moderate situation, it should be made baseline or disabled in the game itself. Dont need to ban people, just make cheating like that impossible.

I'm all for the baseline ability to weave as if having no ping, but the difference of being able to triple-weave is insignificant outside parse-optimizing, and the only reward to doing that has been removed anyways...

[Koldan]

Any third party software that allows you something thats not possible in baseline game is not insignificant, it creates unfair environment in MULTIPLAYER game and should be removed/disabled or made baseline. Whats hard to understand here?

[Shurrikhan]

Any third party software that allows you something thats not possible in baseline game is not insignificant, it creates unfair environment in MULTIPLAYER game and should be removed/disabled or made baseline. Whats hard to understand here?

Except, being able to triple-weave is possible in the baseline game... so long as you're Japanese, Californian, or German. The base game just gives a nice middle-finger to those who want to play even a double-weave job (which is basically any of them) at higher ping. But I'm sure that is fair?

Again, I'm all for those restrictions being removed outright, but in the meantime, it hardly seems worth complaining about some people making the game fairer for themselves by mitigating the impact of latency on their ability to play the game.

[Koldan]

Thats how it looks like if you want an example: https://twitter.com/DualHeal/status/...266210307?s=20