Where is all the content?

[Sclair0]

Different goals though. G'raha is trying to break away from the future that he came from. Venat wants to keep time on the course that will eventually bring her to you in the present day so she can help you save your world even if hers is doomed.

Exactly. Venat decides you're the best bet based on maybe a weekend of hangout time, and decides not to let the ancients even try to defeat Meteion.

Not that I think its bad, I get what they were going for with the whole "She waited all this time for you, and she even had a backup plan in case it didnt work." BUT it needed a bit of a once over writing wise in regards to the time travel imo.

[Iscah]

Exactly. Venat decides you're the best bet based on maybe a weekend of hangout time, and decides not to let the ancients even try to defeat Meteion.

Not that I think its bad, I get what they were going for with the whole "She waited all this time for you, and she even had a backup plan in case it didnt work." BUT it needed a bit of a once over writing wise in regards to the time travel imo.

As I see it, our arrival in Elpis has "locked in" the events of the time loop. Events can't not lead to us travelling back there, and the most that she could achieve by trying to deny that fate would be to create a second diverging timeline where she doesn't act on it.

That said, as I've commented in a few places, I think the whole thing would have been much neater if her memories were wiped along with the others and she went on to become Hydaelyn for her own independent reasons, without that foreknowledge. She could still regain the memories once she's in the aetherial sea.

[Raven2014]

Exactly. Venat decides you're the best bet based on maybe a weekend of hangout time, and decides not to let the ancients even try to defeat Meteion.

Not that I think its bad, I get what they were going for with the whole "She waited all this time for you, and she even had a backup plan in case it didnt work." BUT it needed a bit of a once over writing wise in regards to the time travel imo.

And that's because her end goal is to stop the end of mankind in the long term, not the final day. The final day is just one of many way for civilization to die, it's merely an mean to an end. People keep asking why Venat doesn't try to stop the final day ... because it's never her goal? Why should it be? She knew the ancient would be able to stop it. By the time Hydaelin was conceived the final day was already stopped by Zodiac, so that was never her purpose anyway. She wanted to make sure mankind can continue to reach new height and flourish without running into the deadend like the dead civilization in Metion's report.

The story implied this through more occassion than you have fingers, yet people still somehow "tunnel vision" into the issue of the final day. Before parting way with you in Elpis, she stated that the key to a long term solution is to seek out the answer to Herme's question. When she met you again and before giving you the last trial, she said "if you pass this test I will listen to the answer of the question I asked you all those years ago". Only once she's satisfied with this she would entrust you with mankind future. The theme song of the game for the last 10 years is even called The Answer people, like how can the story make it more obvious to you!? Hell, even Emer-Setch last word allure to the samething, he still pissed that she sundered them, but admit his method (relying on Zodiac) would not have take mankind to the new height like Hydaelin did.

[Sclair0]

And that's because her end goal is to stop the end of mankind in the long term, not the final day. The final day is just one of many way for civilization to die, it's merely an mean to an end. People keep asking why Venat doesn't try to stop the final day ... because it's never her goal? Why should it be?

Because preventing the end of civilization is generally a good thing, and working with the people you've known for decades to tackle a problem is generally more favourable than working with someone you met for a couple hours ago, just cause they smell vaguely like your own magic.

The story implied this through more occassion than you have fingers, yet people still somehow "tunnel vision" into the issue of the final day. Before parting way with you in Elpis, she stated that the key to a long term solution is to seek out the answer to Herme's question. When she met you again and before giving you the last trial, she said "if you pass this test I will listen to the answer of the question I asked you all those years ago". Only once she's satisfied with this she would entrust you with mankind future. The theme song of the game for the last 10 years is even called The Answer people, like how can the story make it more obvious to you!? Hell, even Emer-Setch last word allure to the samething, he still pissed that she sundered them, but admit his method (relying on Zodiac) would not have take mankind to the new height like Hydaelin did.

I don't think any of this addresses the main problem of my complaint on the time travel holes. Venat keeps everything to herself and the only diegetic reasoning she explained is "Hermes might not work with us if he knew." She wants to solve the problem of a nihilistic universe but lets absolutely no one attempt to tackle the issue. (Though maybe some of that will be tackled in the Twelve Raid.)

The issue isnt "Hur dur Final Days is the problem" (Though like, genuinely preventing the suffering caused by it should have been or her agenda, and killing/changing Meteions nest is basically all we do as our answer anyway). The issue is she let no one in on any plans.

The funny thing is she actually failed. In the original timeline the WoL dies never knowing the plan, if it hadn't been for a collaboration of the leftover learned people (something she explicitly avoided using) she'd have failed entirely in her plan to bank everything on the WoL.

Now I absolutely love the Endwalker story. Thematically its great (everything surrounding Venat as well). It just needed some diagetic touch ups

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Where's all the content?

Being enjoyed by me, good sir.

[TheRealQuah]

Yet another troll thread with 12 pages of replies. This post was bait and should have been obvious when the first 2 points made in it were categorically untrue.

The trolls have one thing right, some of you will do absolutely anything to defend this game, even falling for troll bait threads constantly.

[Xavier_Firbold]

Yet another troll thread with 12 pages of replies. This post was bait and should have been obvious when the first 2 points made in it were categorically untrue.

The trolls have one thing right, some of you will do absolutely anything to defend this game, even falling for troll bait threads constantly.

If all you got from 12 pages was that this was a troll thread then I'm genuinely worried about you.

[Komarimono]

If all you got from 12 pages was that this was a troll thread then I'm genuinely worried about you.

Seems like a troll thread due to the mass amount of information in the original post. Said person doesn't even know how the servers work, and listed rather poor substitutes as an option, showing they didn't know anything about the current infrastructure, which very much debunked their "advice". I even earlier linked a picture of just one row for one server from their data centers when they re-did them. None of the services the OP linked could even match a 100th of the power and connections needed.

Let us go on with how this is just the opening of the expansion, the content being on par with each one so far... Music for example in Edens Gate, remixes of other music.

Just a lot of misinformation due to ignorance in the original post, so seems quite clearly a troll thread.

[Xavier_Firbold]

Seems like a troll thread due to the mass amount of information in the original post. Said person doesn't even know how the servers work, and listed rather poor substitutes as an option, showing they didn't know anything about the current infrastructure, which very much debunked their "advice". I even earlier linked a picture of just one row for one server from their data centers when they re-did them. None of the services the OP linked could even match a 100th of the power and connections needed.

Let us go on with how this is just the opening of the expansion, the content being on par with each one so far... Music for example in Edens Gate, remixes of other music.

Just a lot of misinformation due to ignorance in the original post, so seems quite clearly a troll thread.

You are welcome to your opinion

[Vahlnir]

Seems like a troll thread due to the mass amount of information in the original post. Said person doesn't even know how the servers work, and listed rather poor substitutes as an option, showing they didn't know anything about the current infrastructure, which very much debunked their "advice". I even earlier linked a picture of just one row for one server from their data centers when they re-did them. None of the services the OP linked could even match a 100th of the power and connections needed.

Let us go on with how this is just the opening of the expansion, the content being on par with each one so far... Music for example in Edens Gate, remixes of other music.

Just a lot of misinformation due to ignorance in the original post, so seems quite clearly a troll thread.

I mean, it is equally possible that they are just that ignorant. That's where I'd put my money.