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  1. #41
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    I agree with the OP, but in fairness the expansion had to be developed during the pandemic and that limited a chunk of what they were able to do (such as the music, because orchestra's require many musicians) and they have other jobs on backlog to get done than FFXIV. We also don't know what the expansion cycle will look like and how much of what things will be included in patches.
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    ...Do you all understand that your input goes directly into the game..?

    We get less dungeons per patch now because people were tired of dungeons.
    People were tired of zones being big because there's little reason aside from hunts to go in the overworld.
    I'm not even gonna start with jobs..

    However, I wont dismiss the idea that something is amiss with this expansion. It was delayed and I just wonder what for when nothing obvious shows for it.
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  3. #43
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    The story complaints are valid but are also subjective. Where one person might not enjoy the story as presented, another may enjoy it. Neither are wrong, but both are allowed to critique the points of it to their heart's content. That's what having an opinion is.

    I think a lot of people lately have forgotten than critique =/= trashing. I love having debates/discussions where two opposing viewpoints can go back and forth, a lot of good ideas come out of them. What I don't like is spending time writing out a long well thought response, and then getting a reply of "Lol you're an idiot go f yourself" or more insults. That's when my sarcasm/defensive posts start.

    Your complaints are pretty valid, OP. The one nitpick I'd take an opposing viewpoint on is the server ones. Just for the simple fact that we truly do not know what hardware is involved in building just one world server, let alone an entire data center. Without that knowledge we really can't say if supply shortages affecting them are truthful, or the corporate side of SE is being greedy and just not making the funds available to the team to purchase the increased in price server hardware due to the silicon shortage. Not perpetuating conspiracy theories or anything, but none of us truly know what's going on behind the scenes at SE. We just have to wait, read what they put out as responses, and see the results.

    Also in regards to what was said about telling people to unsub from the content if they are unhappy. At least with my responses to various topics, and I've noticed many people take this stance as well, I've tried to post reasonable or counter-point responses and only resort to "Well then it doesn't sound like it's the game for you. If you're unhappy, why stay unhappy and keep paying for a product that doesn't satisfy you" when no suggestions or viewpoints offered seem to satiate either their anger or issues.

    You can only debate so far, and can only have a discussion when at least two people are involved. It very much happens where two people are just stonewalled by the other and won't budge. (Again, not saying this is you at all. You've been pretty good and clear showing your viewpoints. Replying back and forth with someone like you OP is what I enjoy most about the forums. You actually seem to enjoy having a discussion.)
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    while i agree with op none of their quibbles are really content?
    i thought this thread would be about end game content outside of raiding or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold View Post
    If you're in a restaurant and the food comes through half cooked or wrong, do you complain? For me it's the same principle, if you're paying for a service you have the right to comment about said service.
    But that isn't the situation. You're actually in an Italian restaurant and throwing a hissy fit that they won't make you a bowl of Ramen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhysati View Post
    But that isn't the situation. You're actually in an Italian restaurant and throwing a hissy fit that they won't make you a bowl of Ramen.
    I'm failing to see your analogy here. Regardless of the type of restaurant, I am currently eating in, in my opinion, the food is either half cooked or wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RdehlikaJenma View Post
    1. New gearsets include: Level 73 and 75 dungeon sets, 570/580/590 tomestone gear, 19 unique job sets for combat, 15 new sets for tradecraft classes. Add to that, what, a four new weapon sets from dungeons, from one of the EX trials, Savage Raid, and two from tomestones. not to mention at least 13 new 'weapons' for tradecrafts. - Nice try.

    2. Hell of a lot of new, fantastic OSTs, as well, what's your point here? Not enough music composed by Soken WHILE HE HAD CANCER?!

    3. Ultima Thule is also remnants of shattered worlds, maybe the reason it's the 'smallest one based on walkable terrain' is for thematic/story reasons? Labyrinthos, again, could well be that size because it's literally an over-sized storage facility, while Mare Lamentorum is both a prison, and spacecraft, it's not a 'whole new world' it's a satellite. A satellite which is FAR larger than Ul'dah The comparison to Ruby Sea is laughable too, as it has about as much walkable train as Ultima Thule.

    4. There have been TWO examples of voice acting in raids, beyond combat lines: The final two Coils raids, due to wrapping up the story of the Calamity, and Eden because... give Gaia a voice? I'm not sure why. The lac of raid voice acting is the norm, not a deviation from the norm.

    For someone who claims to adore this game, you have a LOT of nitpicking of things that... well, aren't true. Funny, that.
    I think what’s a bit funny is you labeling things that we’ve gotten past expansions as “new.”Tomestone gear is always a thing, that’s not really new. We literally didn’t get a left side gear set for the 89 dungeon meanwhile ShB had one. The level i think it’s 87 weapons are literally just the 83 dungeon weapons recolored. The 87 dungeon gear is reused and isn’t even role swapped or dyable. I believe all of the crafter and gatherer gear outside of the 90 set is all reused as well. All the weapons you’re talking about are literally the norm and…kind of what they have to include for leveling and endgame purposes. But look at things like when SB gave usprimal weapons for the new jobs. Do you see those for sage or reaper?As for the music thing, i think it’s really disgusting to see so many people trying to emotionally manipulate things with Soken’s cancer. They have other composers, let’s not be ignorant. If everything is put all on one man, then the company needs to reevaluate as that also is disgusting.Thid expansion was delayed for 6-7 months, and what is there to show for it exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold View Post
    I'm failing to see your analogy here. Regardless of the type of restaurant, I am currently eating in, in my opinion, the food is either half cooked or wrong.
    I think what Rhysati is trying to convey, is that the analogy of going into an Italian restaurant and then voicing problems that ramen isn't on the menu, is symbolic of your critiques of asking for things within XIV, that XIV hasn't been known for/isn't focused on. Which wasn't the point you were trying to make. I understood your point as "I'm paying for a product, and have concerns with said product. Here are my issues with what I received."

    I think this one is simple neither understanding the point the other was making.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    I think what’s a bit funny is you labeling things that we’ve gotten past expansions as “new.”Tomestone gear is always a thing, that’s not really new. We literally didn’t get a left side gear set for the 89 dungeon meanwhile ShB had one. The level i think it’s 87 weapons are literally just the 83 dungeon weapons recolored. The 87 dungeon gear is reused and isn’t even role swapped or dyable. I believe all of the crafter and gatherer gear outside of the 90 set is all reused as well. All the weapons you’re talking about are literally the norm and…kind of what they have to include for leveling and endgame purposes. But look at things like when SB gave usprimal weapons for the new jobs. Do you see those for sage or reaper?As for the music thing, i think it’s really disgusting to see so many people trying to emotionally manipulate things with Soken’s cancer. They have other composers, let’s not be ignorant. If everything is put all on one man, then the company needs to reevaluate as that also is disgusting.Thid expansion was delayed for 6-7 months, and what is there to show for it exactly?
    Just a quick point, the level 87 weapons aren't reswaps of the 83 weapons. The 83 weapons have a steam punk theme. The 87 weapons are totally different. I'm speaking of the dungeon weapons here.

    The other point stands. The fact that the 89 dungeon doesn't even offer a left set of gear is sort of jarring.

    It's little parts that feel left out that when you add them all up, something seems off about the amount of things EW offered.

    Edit: And I will say, it's an absolute fashion tragedy that they didn't make the reused assets of the 87 gear dyable. Absolute CRIME. That look is by far and large my favorite glam appearance in the game, and it's STILL not dyable.
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    Last edited by ArkenaeuxBelmont; 01-06-2022 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    I think what’s a bit funny is you labeling things that we’ve gotten past expansions as “new.”Tomestone gear is always a thing, that’s not really new. We literally didn’t get a left side gear set for the 89 dungeon meanwhile ShB had one. The level i think it’s 87 weapons are literally just the 83 dungeon weapons recolored. The 87 dungeon gear is reused and isn’t even role swapped or dyable. I believe all of the crafter and gatherer gear outside of the 90 set is all reused as well. All the weapons you’re talking about are literally the norm and…kind of what they have to include for leveling and endgame purposes. But look at things like when SB gave usprimal weapons for the new jobs. Do you see those for sage or reaper?As for the music thing, i think it’s really disgusting to see so many people trying to emotionally manipulate things with Soken’s cancer. They have other composers, let’s not be ignorant. If everything is put all on one man, then the company needs to reevaluate as that also is disgusting.Thid expansion was delayed for 6-7 months, and what is there to show for it exactly?
    Yes I'm sure all their other composers were just eagerly waiting twiddling their thumbs awaiting for a task. Spare me. Of course they have other composers, and many of these composers have their own tasks and responsibilities. I find it very unlikely that the composers or anyone for that matter is sat on their desk waiting for a task whilst just collecting a pay check. There's not really much you can do when other people have their own tasks and responsibilities. Not to mention they would still be required to be enlightened on the 'setting' of the dungeon/raid/instance. Including the environment and the emotions it intends to invoke.
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