Bozjan lore is properly scuffed.

[MoofiaBossVal]

Personally I believe that the plot for Bozja was written one way when 5.0 was first being written, but some small details changed when it got to the Save The Queen storyline. Some things just fell through the cracks. Don't suppose we could flag down Fernehalwes...?

Matsuno had an interview a while back. Matsuno wasn't recruited for the project until August (a month after ShB's release), and he didn't finish the story until September. When the Bozja story for 5.25 was written, there was no plan for anything further. He wrote 5.25 with no consideration for future patches , so it sounds like he didn't know how many patches Bozja would even get. To his frustration, he was out of the loop of what the other writers were planning while he was writing Bozja. He didn't know that there was going to be a cure for tempering. And so on. Fascinating read.

The key takeaway seems to be that the Bozja story was written on the fly and that the left hand didn't know what the right was doing. So it seems like he might not have been informed of the finer details of the lore, or details were forgotten because time passed between each patch being written.

[Ashlyn_Ishina]

That would absolutely explain this kind of fuckery going on with the lore that finds me in my predictament.

[Cleretic]

I mean, that would work. Though that doesn't help my current issue. In my current short story I am delving more in to the character of her father and I *need* to know how to handle this in it. I am not a fan of retconning when I don't have to. It's bad enough I have to take certain assumptions and liberties within Viera culture in the jungle due to how little information we have despite them being in the series for just under TWENTY YEARS. Though, that does mean that as long as I make that stuff believable, it's very unlikely to be contradicted by a primary source. Unlike the Bozjan lore.

There was a queen before the Garleans invaded. She was probably a Hrothgar. She was not named Gunnhildr, but 'Queen Gunnhildr' is a historical figure that Bozja still holds in high regard. At this point naming your daughter 'Gunnhildr' would probably be similar to if you named your son 'Jesus'. (Or in a perhaps more accurate but less immediately understandable to western audiences way, if a Middle-Eastern family named their child 'Nebuchadnezzar'.)

That queen is dead now. Probably in the initial conquest of Bozja, but if not, definitely after the Bozja Incident. We will probably not be looking back on her, as post-liberation Bozja is more interested in moving forward with a more egalitarian society to moving backward to a more stratified monarchy.

That all you needed? Everything outside of that is fair game, and if someone tries to say 'but in THE CANON' later on, you can say that it wasn't known at the time you started writing.

[alacruxe]

I think we're all neglecting to consider the way that surnames work. The implication of Helion surnames—and, indeed, the surnames of several Bozjan NPCs listed in the field reports—is that multiple queens are still living. This leads me to believe that the actual Queen of Bozja (that is, Gunnhildr) is separate from the concept of personal queens, i.e. the progenitors of individual bloodlines/clans. If all or most female Hrothgar are treated as queens, this makes sense. Radovan would have been in service to a personal queen, rather than to Gunnhildr herself.

[Kesey]

But then if they name ***Every*** queen, Queen Gunnhildr. Then why does it say that the last queen Gunnhildr was during the fall of the Allag? This is what everyone is missing. The Field Reports list that ******ALL****** queens of Bozja were named Queen Gunnhildr because it is a title, not just a name. It's not a hereditary name, it's just the name they take upon ascension to the throne. With that said, for there to have been a queen recently, it means there would have been a Queen Gunnhildr recently.

Because the last time the queen became a primal was during the Allagan invasions. There was no need for a primal after that. So they continued to have queens appointed and that shared a title with the name of the primal, but didn't become primals. There is no need to complicate this further.

[Ashlyn_Ishina]

There was a queen before the Garleans invaded. She was probably a Hrothgar. She was not named Gunnhildr, but 'Queen Gunnhildr' is a historical figure that Bozja still holds in high regard. At this point naming your daughter 'Gunnhildr' would probably be similar to if you named your son 'Jesus'. (Or in a perhaps more accurate but less immediately understandable to western audiences way, if a Middle-Eastern family named their child 'Nebuchadnezzar'.)

That queen is dead now. Probably in the initial conquest of Bozja, but if not, definitely after the Bozja Incident. We will probably not be looking back on her, as post-liberation Bozja is more interested in moving forward with a more egalitarian society to moving backward to a more stratified monarchy.

That all you needed? Everything outside of that is fair game, and if someone tries to say 'but in THE CANON' later on, you can say that it wasn't known at the time you started writing.

Gunnhildr isn't a name like we think. It's a title as much as a name. No children would have been named "Gunnhildr" It's like The Dalai Lama. It's as much a name as it is a title. Though not a single child is named Dalai Lama. There have been many Gunnhildr, just named Queen Gunnhildr. The one who we saw the life of just happened to be *the last* one, which is why she's so important. It's like the name Ceasar. Once again, title as well as a name.

[Ashlyn_Ishina]

I think we're all neglecting to consider the way that surnames work. The implication of Helion surnames—and, indeed, the surnames of several Bozjan NPCs listed in the field reports—is that multiple queens are still living. This leads me to believe that the actual Queen of Bozja (that is, Gunnhildr) is separate from the concept of personal queens, i.e. the progenitors of individual bloodlines/clans. If all or most female Hrothgar are treated as queens, this makes sense. Radovan would have been in service to a personal queen, rather than to Gunnhildr herself.

The queens of Bozja have been confirmed to not be based on lineage like noble houses like we know. For one, Novembya was a peasant prior to ascension. For two, Radovan made it clear that he served the queen of Bozja within his lines throughout his introduction.

[Ashlyn_Ishina]

Because the last time the queen became a primal was during the Allagan invasions. There was no need for a primal after that. So they continued to have queens appointed and that shared a title with the name of the primal, but didn't become primals. There is no need to complicate this further.

It was confirmed within the Field Records that the Bozja of Novembya's time collapsed during the Fourth Umbral Calamity. Meaning they didn't have unbroken queens. Also, the field record states pretty significantly, that she was *the last Gunnhildr*

[Iscah]

For two, Radovan made it clear that he served the queen of Bozja within his lines throughout his introduction.

Having checked the first two quests, he says that he served as "personal guard to [his] queen" (not the queen of Bozja, just his queen), and then separately that his clan are "the descendants of Gunnhildr's royal guard". That still doesn't clear up the distinction of the different types of queens, but says nothing about Gunnhildr being a present queen. If anything it suggests that the tradition of a central Queen Gunnhildr may have been replaced by individual tribal queens, but we still have no clear answers on this.