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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    I don't think there's anything saying that Bozja stopped being a monarchy, just that they eventually stopped being so weird about it. Chances are that by the time of its fall, the Bozjan royal family had lost a lot of its mythical luster and was a bit more ceremonial and more of a figurehead. Similar to what happened to... well, every real-life royal family, but most obviously to English-speaking audiences the British one.

    Of course, that doesn't mean there weren't royalists--again, look at Britain. Radovan checks out, he just has less of a grandiose mythical angle and is more of a staunch loyalist to his country.

    The Gunnhildr line would've hit problems the moment that there were no female heirs, anyway, which is kind of an easy roadblock for them to hit.
    The issue is that within the StQ area and line, it says that ALL Queens of Bozja are named Queen Gunnhildr. It is both a name and title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashlyn_Ishina View Post
    The issue is that within the StQ area and line, it says that ALL Queens of Bozja are named Queen Gunnhildr. It is both a name and title.
    I just checked the field reports. It doesn't say that the last queen of Bozja was the one that fended off the Allagan Empire that Misija is descended from. Rather, it says that she was the last Queen Gunnhildr.

    With that, and with the statement from Radovan that he served his queen until the Garlean occupation, we can assume they became some type of traditional monarchy afterwards.
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    I just checked the field reports. It doesn't say that the last queen of Bozja was the one that fended off the Allagan Empire that Misija is descended from. Rather, it says that she was the last Queen Gunnhildr.

    With that, and with the statement from Radovan that he served his queen until the Garlean occupation, we can assume they became some type of traditional monarchy afterwards.
    The reports say that all Queens of Bozja are called Queen Gunnhildr, with the last one being Nevembya Votyasch
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    So this lore isn't all over the place. You're not accounting for time.

    The Queen Gunnhildr that became a primal using the sword did so during the time of the Allagan invasions. Remember the Allagans were hell bent on world domination and the only way others knew how to fight an army of echo users with magitech was summoning primals. Bojza did it too, just like Mercydia.

    Obviously Bojza didn't fall during the war with Allag, instead they fell to Garlemald. Which, historically, happens much more recently. Radovan failed to protect the (recent) current queen from Garlemald. And failing the queen lost him his family (which were either killed or enslaved) and then he suffered in a internment camp for an untold amount of time.

    Two separate time periods. This was explained in the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    So this lore isn't all over the place. You're not accounting for time.

    The Queen Gunnhildr that became a primal using the sword did so during the time of the Allagan invasions. Remember the Allagans were hell bent on world domination and the only way others knew how to fight an army of echo users with magitech was summoning primals. Bojza did it too, just like Mercydia.

    Obviously Bojza didn't fall during the war with Allag, instead they fell to Garlemald. Which, historically, happens much more recently. Radovan failed to protect the (recent) current queen from Garlemald. And failing the queen lost him his family (which were either killed or enslaved) and then he suffered in a internment camp for an untold amount of time.

    Two separate time periods. This was explained in the story.
    A small fill-in on Radovan's family, they were killed during the Bozja Incident when the entirety of the capital was incinerated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    So this lore isn't all over the place. You're not accounting for time.

    The Queen Gunnhildr that became a primal using the sword did so during the time of the Allagan invasions. Remember the Allagans were hell bent on world domination and the only way others knew how to fight an army of echo users with magitech was summoning primals. Bojza did it too, just like Mercydia.

    Obviously Bojza didn't fall during the war with Allag, instead they fell to Garlemald. Which, historically, happens much more recently. Radovan failed to protect the (recent) current queen from Garlemald. And failing the queen lost him his family (which were either killed or enslaved) and then he suffered in a internment camp for an untold amount of time.

    Two separate time periods. This was explained in the story.
    But then if they name ***Every*** queen, Queen Gunnhildr. Then why does it say that the last queen Gunnhildr was during the fall of the Allag? This is what everyone is missing. The Field Reports list that ******ALL****** queens of Bozja were named Queen Gunnhildr because it is a title, not just a name. It's not a hereditary name, it's just the name they take upon ascension to the throne. With that said, for there to have been a queen recently, it means there would have been a Queen Gunnhildr recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashlyn_Ishina View Post
    But then if they name ***Every*** queen, Queen Gunnhildr. Then why does it say that the last queen Gunnhildr was during the fall of the Allag? This is what everyone is missing. The Field Reports list that ******ALL****** queens of Bozja were named Queen Gunnhildr because it is a title, not just a name. It's not a hereditary name, it's just the name they take upon ascension to the throne. With that said, for there to have been a queen recently, it means there would have been a Queen Gunnhildr recently.
    Could be as simple as they consider her last TRUE Queen when their Empire was still free & everyone after the fall to Allag & Garlean rule they considered lesser Queens but still held the title of Gunnhildr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashlyn_Ishina View Post
    But then if they name ***Every*** queen, Queen Gunnhildr. Then why does it say that the last queen Gunnhildr was during the fall of the Allag? This is what everyone is missing. The Field Reports list that ******ALL****** queens of Bozja were named Queen Gunnhildr because it is a title, not just a name. It's not a hereditary name, it's just the name they take upon ascension to the throne. With that said, for there to have been a queen recently, it means there would have been a Queen Gunnhildr recently.
    Because the last time the queen became a primal was during the Allagan invasions. There was no need for a primal after that. So they continued to have queens appointed and that shared a title with the name of the primal, but didn't become primals. There is no need to complicate this further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    Because the last time the queen became a primal was during the Allagan invasions. There was no need for a primal after that. So they continued to have queens appointed and that shared a title with the name of the primal, but didn't become primals. There is no need to complicate this further.
    It was confirmed within the Field Records that the Bozja of Novembya's time collapsed during the Fourth Umbral Calamity. Meaning they didn't have unbroken queens. Also, the field record states pretty significantly, that she was *the last Gunnhildr*
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