More downgrades...(Pandaemonium Savage spoilers)

[KizuyaKatogami]

You mean all the miniscule things that don't really matter but people like you make it out bigger than what it really is? You take something that is completely mundane and act like it's the end of the world over it. The same threads pop up over and over from people like you - "Omg they didn't do this or Omg they didn't add the exact same things from the other expansion or this current thread".... wHAt a DOwNgrAde. Move on now.

People like me? You mean people that are paying a sub right? I’m allowed to voice my criticisms and yes, i’m going to bring up that in the expansion succeeding the one which broke record sales is the one that is seeing the most downgrades on early patch releases alone. At least i’m not the one using someone’s health and a global pandemic as constant excuses for it. It clearly matters if multiple people keep bringing it up, at that point it’s clearly an issue. I’m sorry that i don’t blindly eat up every little thing the devs give out. I voice my concerns with the game that i pay for. All of these things pile onto each other and that’s when it becomes a major issue.

[Fryfor]

It's honestly baffling this game doesn't have voiced boss fights still after six plus years of savage. E8, 11, 12, all had it, then what, they stopped caring to hire voice actors? What even happened?

[Garruss]

I know some will probably complain at this but, it's just another raid fight do you really need a "new theme" just for Savage? Can't you enjoy the fight with the music as it is?

[Fryfor]

I know some will probably complain at this but, it's just another raid fight do you really need a "new theme" just for Savage? Can't you enjoy the fight with the music as it is?

It's the same equivalent as if they played, I don't know, the 1.0 Battle Music during the Shinryu fight? I don't paint myself as a musical genius but I think there's a certain layer of excitement that gets added when a song drastically shifts into something new coupled together with something you've never seen before, like whiplash on your ears or something. Savage is supposed to be exciting. Like, maybe an extra lyric or two? You don't even really need an entire new song.

[OhNooo]

You mean all the miniscule things that don't really matter but people like you make it out bigger than what it really is? You take something that is completely mundane and act like it's the end of the world over it. The same threads pop up over and over from people like you - "Omg they didn't do this or Omg they didn't add the exact same things from the other expansion or this current thread".... wHAt a DOwNgrAde. Move on now.

I'm really starting to get the impression that a lot of people who give this type of reply to any sort of criticism are just happy to take anything the devs present to them no matter what package it's presented in. I feel like because Yoshi P saved the game since 1.0, it's like now a lot of players are willing to accept anything because the devs have their full support and trust. Even if you are disappointed about something, you can't even voice your opinion because you're seen as ungrateful and just whining. This type of blind support for anything and everything really puts me off.

[kpxmanifesto]

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Looks like someone's furious that their favorite game is getting criticized.

[Remish]

You mean all the miniscule things that don't really matter but people like you make it out bigger than what it really is? You take something that is completely mundane and act like it's the end of the world over it. The same threads pop up over and over from people like you - "Omg they didn't do this or Omg they didn't add the exact same things from the other expansion or this current thread".... wHAt a DOwNgrAde. Move on now.

Wow. What a bunch of entitled adolescent people in here. Let's not forget Covid-19 pushed back development on top of them also working on FFXVI which is also now pushed back 6 months. Creative Business Unit 3 is working on both games.

Regardless, complaining about 2 friggin new songs for savage raid is beyond me. If I had to say, that's really petty.

It's not pettiness nor entitlement to offer criticism or feedback. Both of which is exactly why these forums exist for in the first place. I don't know why people come onto the forums acting like nobody is allowed to voice negative feedback over anything without condescending them for it.

Nobody has forgotten about Covid-19. It has impacted everyone's lives. It's probably impossible to forget about Covid-19. However, life still goes on and eventually we get to a point where Covid-19 is used as a cop out to do bare minimum or less. Many of us are put into situations in our daily lives where our employers force us to pretend things are back to normal and suck it up. After having been exposed to that sort of environment, we grow tired of double standards businesses put on us. Lastly, and more recently. It's further harder to be sympathetic for a business that would like to publicly and openly endorse NFTs. As paying customers, I don't think there is anything wrong or selfish about trying to ask; and start a customer demand for two songs for final fights. SE won't know their customers want it unless we make noise about it. Afterall, the game is at an all-time record high despite all the challenges it has endured. I don't think asking for a few things here and there form a successful growing game is demanding much.

[OhNooo]

...Nobody has forgotten about Covid-19. It has impacted everyone's lives. It's probably impossible to forget about Covid-19. However, life still goes on and eventually we get to a point where Covid-19 is used as a cop out to do bare minimum or less. Many of us are put into situations in our daily lives where our employers force us to pretend things are back to normal and suck it up. After having been exposed to that sort of environment, we grow tired of double standards businesses put on us. Lastly, and more recently. It's further harder to be sympathetic for a business that would like to publicly and openly endorse NFTs. As paying customers, I don't think there is anything wrong or selfish about trying to ask; and start a customer demand for two songs for final fights. SE won't know their customers want it unless we make noise about it. Afterall, the game is at an all-time record high despite all the challenges it has endured. I don't think asking for a few things here and there form a successful growing game is demanding much.

Well said. And with all the comparisons to other games' devs being made and an almost sort of bragging being done about how our devs are better and actually listen to the player base etc..I find it ironic when people give this type of reply, calling people who give criticisms entitled - making it seem like oh they just can't be happy no matter what, the devs are doing their best just be happy with what you get! And I think that type of attitude isn't going to encourage healthy discussion or help anything get better.

[Jettinson]

So just found out that the p2 of P4s doesnt even have a new theme... its the same theme. We're only getting 2 new songs in this raid tier as opposed to Eden's what, 3-4? Along with no voice acting. How many more downgrades at this rate jesus...

Funny enough we got actually 3 themes, the Pandaemonium hub, 1-3 and 4.

But voice acting is so erratic i wasn't really expecting at all despite the teaser of the raid with an actual voice. Maybe they will put in 2nd and 3rd tier, who knows.

Although I will say the part 2 of p4s could have even used a slight change of the song, maybe even more macabre but overall 1-3 worked fine with Ancient Shackles imo.

[EverQuest]

One thing to keep in mind is the game has already the most unique music of any mmo. Guineas record actually.

Just because this one tier might be slacking does mean the entire expansion will so before passing judgment it helps to wait til we have the entire picture.

While yes we can't blame covid on every thing but at the same time it's important to remember it's surging like crazy at the moment and many companies are lacking man power. While it might have faults in some areas it's by MO means the worse. The main focus was providing an excellent story wrap up and on that side they surpassed expectations largely by most.

Like sure would more music and unique armors be great. Heck yeah, but it's not as if the game lacks tons of unique variations.

The raid tier is pretty fun and overall an the extremes were pretty on par for starter ones.

If your biggest issue is the game doesn't 100% your expectations it's fine to voice your opinion, but most of these problems are only issues other mmos wish they had. Like I'd likely still be playing wow if my biggest problem with the game was reused assets and the lack of a song.

I think at this point they deliver pretty much exactly what you expect and while it may not check all the boxes every single time it does so with enough consistency that the game is still and overall positive experience, and if it's no longer good enough then perhaps it's time to move on.