FFXIV is super interesting BUT then why?

[Anhra]

sorry for doubleposting

-By Design. By Design i mean simply "holes" in a toolkit in which a Healer cant heal and a Tank cant Tank under normal circumstances. That doesnt mean that said holes are something that only exist on Healers/tanks account, but they also could be created by other Jobs which are able to make them with Skills that either completely negate or punish their nature (imagine it like this, "Caster" is being able to apply a DoT which has by nature a additional effect alongside doing noticeably large damage, it also detonates immediately for the FULL duration when it gets dispelled or "healed over" when a Healer tries to mitigate it in said way). The whole purpose of this kind of design, is to provide opportunities in which others COULD emerge victorious over a Healer or Tank, but those "holes in design" shouldnt by any means, render the latter completely helpless, only "weaker than usual" for a brief time. That way, Cooldowns can still exist, but in order for them to do so in a fair fashion, theyre tied usually to a LONG Cooldown, since their very nature, can patch up those holes in design.


Nevertheless, it is a very complicated matter and requires Classes to be well thought of, but it is definitely possible to Design Healers and Tanks for PvP in which they arent simply unfair metagolems.

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[Mezzoforte]

Hi all

this isnt that type of game
that is what wow is about
and wow isnt doing so hot

[Melorie]

this isnt that type of game
that is what wow is about
and wow isnt doing so hot

I agree that FFXIV is far from being pvp-oriented, but this community could use two braincells and realize that WoW had problems for a variety of reasons, and that doesn't mean that just because WoW has a certain type of content, if any other game has it as well, it will automatically have the same problems that WoW have.

[Jennah]

Someone doesn't realize that "no PvP to speak of" is a tremendous SELLING POINT for a tremendous slice of the MMO Market.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Here's the simplest reason why there's barely any focus on PVP in this game. Ready for it? It's a singular, pretty simple reason to understand why they don't throw tons of focus on it.

It's rampant with botters.

No DRM to see third party software = Botters run rampant in PVP.

People report them. Nothing is done.

You'll never get more big dedicated competitive PVP focus until they somehow deal with that. Good luck on that front. They've flailed for years dealing with Botters.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Here's the simplest reason why there's barely any focus on PVP in this game. Ready for it? It's a singular, pretty simple reason to understand why they don't throw tons of focus on it.

It's rampant with botters.

No DRM to see third party software = Botters run rampant in PVP.

People report them. Nothing is done.

You'll never get more big dedicated competitive PVP focus until they somehow deal with that. Good luck on that front. They've flailed for years dealing with Botters.

While I wont deny that pvp botting and scripting is sadly a thing, I disagree that this is the only thing preventing progress to a competitive pvp system.

Also correct me if I am wrong, but iirc Square Enix being a JP company is bound to japanese law, which means distribution of software within FFXIV's installation scanning your system for third-party programs interacting with or injecting into the game is actually illegal for them. So DRM is entirely out of question.

[Shibi]

Also correct me if I am wrong, but iirc Square Enix being a JP company is bound to japanese law, which means distribution of software within FFXIV's installation scanning your system for third-party programs interacting with or injecting into the game is actually illegal for them. So DRM is entirely out of question.

They don't need such invasive software, local GMs who play the game (as normal people with normal skills not as Ascians) and who are empowered to investigate and act would likely be enough. Right now anything to do with botting or cheats goes to the black hole of the tiny Japan based Special Task Force.

[Irzephyra]

There is PvP in the game.
Its called Triple Triad and you can find it in the gold saucer.

[Kokonji]

One of the reason I choose ffxiv as my main mmorpg is because of lack of open world pvp (pvp only in very specific instance/gamemode), as this game has more focus on story and coop gamemode
although I still enjoy some frontline / rival wings once or twice..

so, if suddenly yoship decided to implement all area to be pvp-able,
I'll really will reconsider to continue playing
(or at least if it is toggle-able, you'll bet it'll be no-pvp-mode forever for me)

[Anhra]

One of the reason I choose ffxiv as my main mmorpg is because of lack of open world pvp (pvp only in very specific instance/gamemode), as this game has more focus on story and coop gamemode
although I still enjoy some frontline / rival wings once or twice..

so, if suddenly yoship decided to implement all area to be pvp-able,
I'll really will reconsider to continue playing
(or at least if it is toggle-able, you'll bet it'll be no-pvp-mode forever for me)

Tera Online did it in exact that same fashion. You could PvP everywhere and anyone who had PvPOn which was working really well and couldnt be abused, since it was bound to a 30second timer (which could be interrupted when you got attacked by another player btw) before it allowed to switch between PvPOn and PvPOff.

that being said, Tera Online is now pretty much dead, but not because of PvP being bad or too hostile aganist people who dont want to PvP, but rather because of their greedy Dev's.