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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    Is there really content to justify it taking longer than a few days? Cuz last I checked there's like nothing there except leves and grind.
    theres a learning curve for a start. why do you think pick up groups are commonly seen as such a joke in this game and more and more people are adding "experienced people only" in there shouts for stuff. being level 50 should indicate you have at least some competence in your job/class.
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  2. #42
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    Waiting patiently for level sync to replace PL...

    Waiting patiently for SE to start banning all the botters...

    Waited for ~19 months, can wait a bit longer - no big deal lols
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurymber View Post
    I'll make this simple:

    Crafting: lots of people botted + bot every day killing prices

    Gathering: lots of people botted (like 90% of lvl 50 fishers) + bot every day killing prices

    Leveling: powerleveling is essentially an exploit. Even if it isn't why bother even having levels then if SE's idea for the first 30 is to go afk while your friend runs around killing sheep

    and then stuff like Garuda: Everyone that did it non stop and essentially exploited it before the fix ends up with 7/7 whereas people who try to do it legit can't get a single win.

    And I'm leaving out all the nice little historical tidbits like months of 1-shotting coblyns to get to 50.

    I've seen a lot of people claim to report those who are botting, SE justifies powerleveling, and there are never any consequences for exploiting systems before a fix.

    I understand a lot of people will say "but if people didn't exploit this game would suck". But consider what will happen when 2.0 comes out. A bunch of people will join a game full of maxed out players who are pimped out in gear, crafting jobs, gathering, etc.

    Further, since SE decided to make everything in this game 8-man and essentially require a specific set of jobs (ex. blm blm blm whm whm tank bard blm), new players will be at a massive disadvantage end game. They will be unable to compete gear-wise with ppl who botted for years prior to their arrival and amassed 100,000,000+ in gil. They won't be able to experience the 'hardcore' endgame for a very long time as most ls's seem to want at least 3 jobs to 50. And they will find that gathering + crafting is completely unprofitable, as prices for almost everything under what you can get at rank 50 have been undercut to death (and a bunch of new players only making a few 1000 as opposed to the old 10,000 + per leve, aren't going to buy-out gathering/crafting items in the wards).

    SE can fix a lot of these problems, but in doing so they will just create new ones.

    For example: Make leveling easier than it is and not require any good gear whatsoever
    result: FFXIV becomes WoW and fails (unless you seriously think people want to do the exact same boss fight 20-times a day for 2 weeks in a row to get an item they want, since that is what the game would become)

    Increase the amount of gil you get from leves back to launch level to balance economy
    result: hyperinflation, due to instability in the markets people hold onto their items not sure about how to price things. People who legitimately crafted for months ragequit because their 100mil is now worthless (this happened in ffxi and resulted in a ton of people leaving).

    etc....

    So the main question i'm asking (and this is a question, not an argument):
    Why does this game still allow the exploits, bots, etc, to continue? If there was an exploit like the blm thing in FFXI they usually fixed it within a few days and often banned people. Here, everyone openly rushes to exploit the game before its fixed. How is that sustainable in a competitive gaming environment when you are trying to attract 1000s of new people? Or is FFXIV supposed to be the new diablo 2 open battle net?
    Cry me a river....

    I'm getting tired of these posts.. For you, everyone who accomplished things, cheated.. Lol

    Cry me a river..
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurymber View Post
    Not sure if you all understand what a question is....

    And Hiir. If SE doesnt not have some serious success with 2.0 this game will either get shut down or never have an expansion. What incentive would anyone have to join a re-designed 1/10 game where they will have to work for years to catch up with people. And then when they realize they can make 300k a day while players who botted a year ago have 300mil, why would they stay?
    I kept typing things to argue your arguments(yes, that is what it is, you can argue with a question, specially the way your post came off), but then I realized you would probably just re-post that 90% of the people on forums are just bots getting up post counts and that it is unfair to new players.
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  5. #45
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    lol he said 1-shotting doblyns was an exploit.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    theres a learning curve for a start. why do you think pick up groups are commonly seen as such a joke in this game and more and more people are adding "experienced people only" in there shouts for stuff. being level 50 should indicate you have at least some competence in your job/class.
    /laugh
    you gotta be kidding me
    /laugh
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Cry me a river....

    I'm getting tired of these posts.. For you, everyone who accomplished things, cheated.. Lol

    Cry me a river..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanathya View Post
    As much as it might hurt you, and as much as someone else brings the balance issues up, FFXI had the jobs right. And, you know, this is a FF, and I don't see you guys complaining about people asking for WoW things. So please.

    Also, it's not like this dev team is being true to the roots of the jobs anyway.
    This game is not WoW; if you want WoW, go play WoW. If you get butthurt when people mention Final Fantasy XI, then shut up about WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurymber View Post
    Why does this game still allow the exploits, bots, etc, to continue?
    My guess is because it went something like this...

    Concerned dude: Director, they are exploiting the crap out of our bugs, should we ban them?

    Director: Hmm, let me see... carry the one.... Hmm, if we banned them, the game would die. It appears most of the players have exploited something in this game at one point or another. Banning them now would cause us to lose even more money so...No, let them have their exploits for now; in exchange we take their monies. ^^/$

    Concerned dude: wow, so in the end it's all about the monies? :O

    Director: /Nod ~.^
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by aikawananase View Post
    can someone do a tldr the whole thread?
    Basically a grand majority of the posters called out the OP on playing a game s/he clearly dislikes, yet continues to pay for it for w/e reason.
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    This thread sums up the official forums
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    Bring Quality Notorious Monsters to FFXIV!

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/40738-Highly-Notorious-Monstersz


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