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  1. #81
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    Karbine's Avatar
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    Karbine Vashai
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    Except irl you don't get money falling from the sky like in-game. The rl argument is absolutely ridiculous, in-game everything are infinite and people can always get them one way or another.
    Yep you didn't think about it.

    Regular players can't make progress turning in items to hamlets to get spots in top 20, or sell items at decent prices and run a regular economy if other players are using bots and other means that make it impossible to even compete. An MMO economy spirals out of control.

    "RMT doesn't hurt anyone!"

    Cheating in any way ruins the community no matter how you spin it. I also believe the only people who defend it are the people who are taking advantage of a system that doesn't punish players for cheating.
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    Last edited by Karbine; 05-12-2012 at 09:51 PM.

  2. #82
    Player HiirNoivl's Avatar
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    Hiir Noivl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbine View Post
    Yep you didn't think about it.

    Regular players can't make progress turning in items to hamlets to get spots in top 20, or sell items at decent prices and run a regular economy if other players are using bots and other means that make it impossible to even compete. An MMO economy spirals out of control.

    "RMT doesn't hurt anyone!"
    What other means? Like actually gathering? I can easily get into top 20 on hamlet and that was before it was split in 3! I didn't even have to gather all day. I just went out and gathered.

    In 1 hour you can get about 50k in mats and that's at Grade IV. Give me a break.
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    Last edited by HiirNoivl; 05-13-2012 at 01:17 AM.

  3. #83
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    viion's Avatar
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    Sky Box
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    OP you cant stop botting at all, you can try but end of day it is a pointless battle, there is always ways around it. That isnt SE's Fault, its the players who want to bot. All SE can do is ban, which they dont (imo).

    As for new players, you are completely right, I had some friends rejoin for this free trial and unless I pl them to 50 they cant do shit, because everything requires a specific job, a specific set of gear (like full AF), and of course 8 people. I mean SE said "Come back and experience a once in a life time Umbral Event", i've yet to see this event that new/returning players can enjoy because right now its the same boring bullshit imperial attack that we had last patch, and requires a fair amount of people to even participate in, so no SE you cant experience it! And you have to be 50, so just promotes PLing.

    SE have done nothing to help the new or low level player so far hah.
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiirNoivl View Post
    What other means? Like actually gathering? I can easily get into top 20 on hamlet and that was before it was split in 3! I didn't even have to gather all day. I just went out and gathered.

    In 1 hour you can get about 500k in mats and that's at Grade IV. Give me a break.
    i think you mean 50k, not 500k, which is still enough to get into top 20, or close to it depending on how many people feel like doing turn ins at any given cycle

    but yeah, hamlet is easy to get into top 20 as a gatherer in very little time invested

  5. #85
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    Petdo's Avatar
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    Goldsmith Lv 60
    Why you serious about ppl getting all 50 in 2.0? Because no matter they using your mentioned exploit or not, they will be all 50 in no time.

    DoH : rest exp + eng manual + HQ craft can get you to 50 in few weeks.
    DoL : grind leve + survival manual + rest exp can get you to 50 in few weeks.
    DoW/M : most of ppl love pl, and if some high level willing to PL, it's no problem. The goal of playing game is to get max level isn't it?

    Item and market price : you blame only bot for cutting the price...I think everyone can cut the price not only for botters. And I still find myself able to make some profit out of market everyday, just buy mats, craft and sell it. Btw, if the item price is low I think most of ppl will be glad.

    OP topic is full of selfish mind and just bias with other ppl that better than him.

    If you hate this game enough, play TERA
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  6. #86
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    Botters are people too, my friend!
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  7. #87
    Player HiirNoivl's Avatar
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    Yes, 50k unless you HQ everything. ^^
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  8. #88
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    Seems a lil suspect that you know very well all the many various ways

    ppl exploit/cheat.

  9. #89
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    Jinko Jinko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    Is there really content to justify it taking longer than a few days? Cuz last I checked there's like nothing there except leves and grind.
    I think that's part of his point though, Yoshi-p is pretty much hell bent on providing all content for end game players, perhaps things will change in 2.0 who knows.
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  10. #90
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    All I'm saying is i have 47mil and I don't use 1gil from it unless i need arrows just because the economy is so [InsertFbomb] unstable.
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