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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo5990 View Post
    All I'm saying is i have 47mil and I don't use 1gil from it unless i need arrows just because the economy is so [InsertFbomb] unstable.
    This is something I hate.

    In FFXI one of the BEST things they kept current was the usefulness of gear. Even YEARS later the CoP ring was still good. Almost every new item they included in the game was only a slight upgrade or just a powerful sidegrade. Very rarely did hard to obtain lewt become obsolete. Now in this game I am so turned off from the idea of spending more then 500k on something because every other patch they turn everything upside down again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyln View Post
    I didn't say that he didn't powerlevel. I did say that his lack of knowledge wouldn't be because of powerlevelling. Whether he did or did not powerlevel is immaterial.
    This is what PLers actually believe. May Altana have mercy on our souls...

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    Can anyone attempt to make a video tutorial in a scenario where a person with 0 knowledge of the game can jump on a level 50 player and learn how to beat ifrit in a couple hours?
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    Last edited by ArkNova; 05-13-2012 at 10:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkNova View Post
    Can anyone attempt to make a video tutorial in a scenario where a person with 0 knowledge of the game can jump on a level 50 player and learn how to beat ifrit in a couple hours?
    That's an excellent Idea
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    Id do it but I lack the knowledge or software to make such a video.
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    I agree with a lot of points you make but I refuse to see PL'ing as an exploit. I mean, I haven't found a way to have someone PL me while I am afk, I still have to run around and aggro mobs and then have my PL kill them. Honestly speaking, if you want to discourage PL'ing, make being the other levels that aren't 49 and 50 entertaining and fun. Instead, even on your own solo, you can level through the first 30 levels so fast there is literally no point in buying gear or doing anything to customize your character because your not going to be low level long enough to need it.

    The rate of leveling in this game is a broken joke right now and has been since launch. I don't think grinding is the answer necessarly, or that time ='s toughness, but as it stands now, levels 1-3 materia are a pointless joke, and anyone that wants to get a PL to skip through the redundancy of being low level in 5 mins instead of 10 makes total sense to me. Maybe reduce the xp you get for killing mobs at low levels and increase the number of quests that require 2-6 people to do and then increase how much xp you get for doing them. Gives us things that make being level 25 interesting beside Toto-Rak, which in of itself is pretty bland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    I agree with a lot of points you make but I refuse to see PL'ing as an exploit. I mean, I haven't found a way to have someone PL me while I am afk, I still have to run around and aggro mobs and then have my PL kill them. Honestly speaking, if you want to discourage PL'ing, make being the other levels that aren't 49 and 50 entertaining and fun. Instead, even on your own solo, you can level through the first 30 levels so fast there is literally no point in buying gear or doing anything to customize your character because your not going to be low level long enough to need it.

    The rate of leveling in this game is a broken joke right now and has been since launch. I don't think grinding is the answer necessarly, or that time ='s toughness, but as it stands now, levels 1-3 materia are a pointless joke, and anyone that wants to get a PL to skip through the redundancy of being low level in 5 mins instead of 10 makes total sense to me. Maybe reduce the xp you get for killing mobs at low levels and increase the number of quests that require 2-6 people to do and then increase how much xp you get for doing them. Gives us things that make being level 25 interesting beside Toto-Rak, which in of itself is pretty bland.
    PLing isnt an explot, and neither is ALOT of things people claim are

    people just do not know the meaning of the word, they call anything they see as something they dont agree with as:
    a) trolling
    b) cheating
    c) exploiting
    d) retarded
    e) insert other insults they usualy throw out when they dont like something or dont agree with it

    exploiting in game terms is pretty much abusing game mechanics that are bugged or not working as intended and against the rules

    Is PLing exploiting? no it isnt because its within the rules of the game, and doesnt abuse any bugs and such
    Was garuda being burned down before using his ability an explot? No it wasnt, that was a mistake on the devs end because they didnt think people would out dps the timer. now if there was a way to circumvent it still, then it probly would be an exploit.

    stuff like being able to kill bosses without ever engaging them, is an explot
    being able to retake faction leves over and over again without spending faction points on them...exploit

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    PLing isnt an explot, and neither is ALOT of things people claim are


    Is PLing exploiting? no it isnt because its within the rules of the game, and doesnt abuse any bugs and such
    This set up might not be an exploit to you.

    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (Reinvites PL into PT after kill)
    Player (Lv50 PL, 1 shoots 50 mobs to level up the AFK'ers)

    But it definitely needs to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkine View Post
    This set up might not be an exploit to you.

    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (Reinvites PL into PT after kill)
    Player (Lv50 PL, 1 shoots 50 mobs to level up the AFK'ers)

    But it definitely needs to go.
    Hmm...
    Nope! no exploit here... definetly no...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkine View Post
    This set up might not be an exploit to you.

    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (AFK)
    Player (Reinvites PL into PT after kill)
    Player (Lv50 PL, 1 shoots 50 mobs to level up the AFK'ers)

    But it definitely needs to go.
    this is what i meant when i discussed PLing as an exploit ;x

    but you know.. if yoshi-p intended you to level up while out at starbucks talking about how much a band sucks cuz they went mainstream, and how cool you are because you liked them when they weren't signed... then i guess things are all just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    exploiting in game terms is pretty much abusing game mechanics that are bugged or not working as intended and against the rules
    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    Was garuda being burned down before using his ability an explot? No it wasnt, that was a mistake on the devs end because they didnt think people would out dps the timer. now if there was a way to circumvent it still, then it probly would be an exploit.
    Hmmm pretty sure Yoshida clearly stated that burning garuda down before she could Aerial Blast was because of a mechanic of the fight not working as intended.

    Director/Producer Yoshida here.

    In regards to the video, this is occurring due to the fact that the remaining HP percentage check is not being processed at the time of Garuda’s AI phase change. We are currently looking into fixing this.
    It might have been an oversight by the developers and yes they quite clearly said they wouldn't punish people for the exploit, but they stated it wasn't the intended way to do the fight and yet people still abused it even after they were told it wasn't intended.

    So either you yourself do not understand your own meaning of the word exploit or you basically just contradicted yourself.

    The developers basically decide what is an exploit and what isn't, if its not the intended way to do something and is against the rules they will fix it, which surprisingly enough is exactly what happened to the garuda exploit.
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