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    Quote Originally Posted by OtakuSempai View Post
    Proof of work is still orders of magnitude more inefficient than even a Visa transaction. The criticism is still valid.
    You seem to be confused. The proof of work mechanism is a competition to write transactions to the ledger, but has nothing to do with the transactions themselves. If you are talking about raw throughput, things like Segwit and Taproot reduced the blockweight of transactions, plus the lightning network completely demolishes Visa in cost per tx. Further, here is an article for you regarding environmental impact: https://hbr.org/2021/05/how-much-ene...tually-consume .
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge View Post
    You seem to be confused. The proof of work mechanism is a competition to write transactions to the ledger, but has nothing to do with the transactions themselves. If you are talking about raw throughput, things like Segwit and Taproot reduced the blockweight of transactions, plus the lightning network completely demolishes Visa in cost per tx. Further, here is an article for you regarding environmental impact: https://hbr.org/2021/05/how-much-ene...tually-consume .
    It has everything to do with transactions, since it's how transactions are verified on the blockchain. It's a ton of energy per transaction verified. Traditional financial transactions are verified with much less energy per transaction, like Visa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anhaato View Post
    The biggest issue is that square just can't reconcile that some people won't play some jobs optimally. Instead of accepting that people will do that and complain about jobs being hard, they lower the skill ceiling on them. Sure it might make the more casual players happy, but even then for a job like this it's very rarely going to make someone who hated the job start loving it and want to main it. Meanwhile those who enjoyed it before feel alienated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OtakuSempai View Post
    It has everything to do with transactions, since it's how transactions are verified on the blockchain. It's a ton of energy per transaction verified. Traditional financial transactions are verified with much less energy per transaction, like Visa.
    if that's the case then the lightning network solves your problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge View Post
    To be fair, bitcoin and proof of work does not hurt the environment. In fact, it helps the environment by incentivizing development in cheaper, renewable energy(your profit goes down if you use dirty expensive energy by design).
    This is disingenuous at best (and naïve at worst). There's no evidence that the expansion of PoW-type crypto has had any impact on clean energy production. You may as well be arguing that burning coal is actually good for the environment because once we run out of coal, well, we'll simply have to find alternative sources of energy.

    I purposefully avoided making the environmental concerns around crypto the thrust of my post because I thought it would ward off bad faith arguments like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge View Post
    Second, NFTs are huge scams but NFTs have nothing to do with bitcoin or proof of work. Just to be clear.
    This is also disingenuous; my OP did not discuss "bitcoin", but "crypto" in general. Moreover, the Ethereum blockchain, which is one of (if not the) main blockchain for trading NFTs still runs on PoW. Yes, proof-of-stake has been proposed as an alternative, and Ethereum claims to be heading in that direction, but let's not pretend that Ethereum is there yet.

    In short, please don't post falsehoods masquerading as the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge View Post
    To be fair, bitcoin and proof of work does not hurt the environment. In fact, it helps the environment by incentivizing development in cheaper, renewable energy(your profit goes down if you use dirty expensive energy by design). Second, NFTs are huge scams but NFTs have nothing to do with bitcoin or proof of work. Just to be clear.
    Considering you can still make a profit using dirty energy, you just make 'less' than using cheaper renewables, this is utter nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Considering you can still make a profit using dirty energy, you just make 'less' than using cheaper renewables, this is utter nonsense.
    you clearly have never thought about margins before. No one worries about "a profit." What people worry about is maximizing profit. https://hbr.org/2021/05/how-much-ene...tually-consume
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    I guess it's a good thing they've made such a clear statement. Now they can F right Off with that line of thinking. Hopefully the next time anyone gets to put a question to YoshiP they ask him directly about this subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge View Post
    you clearly have never thought about margins before. No one worries about "a profit." What people worry about is maximizing profit. https://hbr.org/2021/05/how-much-ene...tually-consume
    Then how do you explain the fact that not all cryptocurrencies are carbon neutral?
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    y'sthola booba nft soon
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    It is sadly nothing surprising.
    To this day i am livid how they treated Sleeping Dogs.

    But for NFT stuff, again i am not surprised they are in and any moment the whole thing will fall apart. It has done nothing but damaging everything, not just environment or chips shortage.
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