Mods and cheat engine

[Melorie]

Everything you mentioned is accessible inside the game, everyone can do it.
What we are talking about here are mods/hacks and such that allow you to do something base game doesnt give you, whats so hard to understand?
In mutlplayer environment there is no place to disparity like that.

That's the whole point of modding though? They give you something the game doesn't have. Acting like it's giving you things that are destructive to the game though and affect people, is blowing it out of proportion, given it's not the case for the HUGE majority of the people that use them.

At this point, a lot of online games have/had it (E.V.E online, GW2, even RO had specific edits to the .grf to make your map more clear, TERA) and if it wasn't a plugin in-game, it could've been an external thing that gives you information that isn't easily accessible in game (BDO has very complex calculators for example). Even in Dead by Daylight, people customize their icons and other UI stuff with mods... That's the reality of online games nowadays, you can keep losing your mind like some people here because someone is using it, or you play the game like you want to. At this point, it doesn't really matter if you believe if there's "no place", they already have found their way.

It is not willfully ignorant or willfully instigating bringing up pvp when a common argument from people with the same or similar views as you argue “how does it effect you”. To point out there are ones that have a direct effect i think is valid. Just because maybe you or a few others don’t use the pvp ones specifically, doesnt mean others have a moral standing against using them for benefits that are directly against other players

It's true. I don't play PvP. And I think that people that are cheating inside PvP should be punished - I'm just saying that a huge part of the mod community, plugin creators, etc, are very against people creating things that affect others negatively, so when people pick everyone and place them in the same basket, it does seem extremely unfair to me.

I don't do much raiding, I have a terrible ping and I will never have a data center near where I live - you bet that if I tried to do savage or ultimate, I would download xivalexander. Many people I know are able to raid more comfortably because of it. And no one bats an eye because they're using something similar to it. So by all means, fight against bots and cheaters, but I ask that people in this discussion learn to separate things.