Mods and cheat engine

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Condone cheats for some of the game but not the other…. It’s all or nothing. Not a middle ground. I ask you, are cheats ok? Yes or no

Why wouldn't they be in PvE, and not in PvP ?

There is no "there's no middle ground" absolute thing.

"How can it be ok to drink alcohol when you won't drive but when you do, it's not ok anymore". Because when you're drinking and driving, you put others at risk.

[Melorie]

Visit any thread about bots in pvp. But now I’ll start saving gameplay when I play on weekends because rolder50 denies that there are cheaters in pvp when clearly there are cheaters in the core game. Must be core exclusive. Pvp is safe from cheats and mods. Makes sense…

Google ffxivalexander and ff xiv cactbot. You dont need to go dark places, its all in a plain sight, what are you even talking about. Those tools even explain how they work.
ffxivalexander repository even explains how you can turn it into outright cheat tool.

I think you two are confused. Bots have NOTHING to do with mods or plugins. Cactbot, although seem as a crutch (I agree), has little to do with cheating (how cheating exists in a content that literally has no competition? anyway). And xivalexander is mostly for double-weaving if you have awful ping and learning japanese.

[Rolder50]

So because you haven’t seen it, it is a lie? You are stretching. They do exist. You can search for them yourself. I am currently not playing the game because I don’t play on days i work. I already said i would start recording for you, but because I don’t sit and actively record my gameplay just in case a forum dweller wants to argue, i must be lying. Mhm. I said I’ll get them on the weekend. Or idk, you could hit up YouTube

You claimed there was documented video proof already, surely it's not that difficult to find some already existing proof hmm?

[Melorie]

Even if you google and search for FFXIV bots (who actually exist), you'll see they'll have nothing to do with the modding or plugin community.

Yesterday I modded my Monster Hunter Rise so cutscenes aren't capped at 30 FPS. I did not use a cheat engine so I wouldn't need any material to craft any armour I wish. These two are very different things, and if you honestly believe they're equal, chances are you don't know what you're talking about.

[MaxCarnage]

I don't suppose you have any examples? Video proof, name of the tool, literally anything other then just taking your word for it?

You claimed there was documented video proof already, surely it's not that difficult to find some already existing proof hmm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgAzp_yp16U
Keeps running full speed despite being heavied and bound.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/452580-Hackers-still-rampant-despite-multiple-reports-Please-give-visibility-on-this.
A Forum thread where people discuss their experience with cheaters in PVP.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/aae705d4b111c011d917da13916bd640829c1ae9
The Dev team banned free trial accounts from participating in PVP due to cheaters on free trial accounts.

And one google search of PVP mods and I found a website (which I will not link for obvious reasons). Doesn't exist, though, right?

[Koldan]

I think you two are confused. Bots have NOTHING to do with mods or plugins. Cactbot, although seem as a crutch (I agree), has little to do with cheating (how cheating exists in a content that literally has no competition? anyway). And xivalexander is mostly for double-weaving if you have awful ping and learning japanese.

I wasnt talking bots (tho they are a thing). I was talking functionality that cant be accessible in normal unmodded game. Like removing animation lock which is built in into the game or shit "showing you where A/S rank is as soon as it spawns, showing who pulled it and other stuff.

[Melorie]

And one google search of PVP mods and I found a website (which I will not link for obvious reasons). Doesn't exist, though, right?

I literally googled PvP mods and went to the plugins discord. The things I saw:
1. a UI customization, so the colour is similar to the UI style of PvP content.
2. that's it.

The website you've found is just a place where people search for mods in other games, and it's not even a popular place for FFXIV playebase that are interested in that.


Again,
bots =/= mods, plugins.

[Rolder50]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgAzp_yp16U
Keeps running full speed despite being heavied and bound.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/452580-Hackers-still-rampant-despite-multiple-reports-Please-give-visibility-on-this.
A Forum thread where people discuss their experience with cheaters in PVP.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/aae705d4b111c011d917da13916bd640829c1ae9
The Dev team banned free trial accounts from participating in PVP due to cheaters on free trial accounts.

And one google search of PVP mods and I found a website (which I will not link for obvious reasons). Doesn't exist, though, right?

See, you're already light years ahead of the other poster whose just ranting and raving like a lunatic. Thanks! I'd argue there is a world of difference between the sanitized and moderated plugins most people use, and actual full on hacks. I thought we were referring to the former in this thread?

[Packetdancer]

All those 3rd party tools just devalues archievements of people, you went out of your way to get certain item/archivement/title and others just cheated their way through? Are you proud of your archivement now?

So, the Coils raids used to be considered very difficult. But you can now run the Coils raids unsynced, with gear and abilities 40 levels higher, and basically solo them. Does this mean that someone who earned the Domitrix title back in ARR can take less pride in it now that the title is "easily achieved"? The presence of the title might be less impressive now, but I'd argue that most raiders who cleared Coils back then will still take pride in the fact that they did so back then, when they were still really difficult.

Heck, my FC's "Retro Raiders" group did Coils properly, synched down and everything, just last fall. And I can take pleasure in the fact that we managed to get through it properly, even if you can solo them unsynched now.

Similarly, I managed to get through Delubrum Reginae's savage variant prior to Zadnor coming out. Now DR Savage is considerably easier, what with the rays of valour mechanic added with Zadnor; people can go in and skip entire mechanics easily. But the fact that DRS is considerably easier now than when it first came out does nothing to change the fact that I'm happy I was able to clear it back then.

Things becoming easier over time is sort of the nature of ongoing online games where you have some sort of power progression (i.e. leveling of some form). If you allow yourself to be unhappy because other people who achieved something did it more easily than you did as a result of that power creep over time, you'll just make yourself miserable. That's why I, personally, choose not to let myself get upset over someone else using tools to make a fight easier (or even just more accessible to them); if I value my own achievements only by their rarity or perceived difficulty, I'll just drive myself mad.

Now, if we're talking about cheating in PvP, yeah, that's a problem; that's someone's cheating directly and deliberately impeding my ability to work towards an achievement, and I think that's wholly justified in getting upset about.

But "I ran content <X> blind, now people can run it unsynched/use Cactbot for callouts/whatever, so my achievement is lessened"? Nah, I can't find it in me to go with that logic. As I said, that way lies madness and misery, regardless of whether or not stuff like Cactbot exists. (Even aside from the fact that, as I noted, I consider Cactbot little different than having a good human raid-caller in voice chat and thus not really "cheating".)

[MintnHoney]

Which has nothing to do with any of the ping tools, but is the default state of every ISP. It's not normal to have 100+ ms ping. So why would any developer actively develop for such cases, when it's more common to have 10-60 ms ping?

Because it's actually not uncommon to have the 100+ ms ping. Circumstances are different for many players, and this game is being catered to a broad, very casual audience (most of which wouldn't recognize that ping issues are even related to ping, or may not even know what even ping is).