Mods and cheat engine

[LianaThorne]

Same reason why people care if you take drugs when you run for the Olympics. But hey i mean why do they care it's my body!

Ofc most stuff doesn't affect others, i get that. But where it does it is kinda shitty. Like pvp etc. and yeah even ultimates.

Are we really comparin plugins to drug use?

How did we get here?

I can understand pvp (The real issue in pvp content isn't even plugins btw, but people manipulating Feast ranks by in game means like, afking on the side for example) but ultimates or other PvE content is where you lose me. You can easily just make your own static and require everyone be plugin-free?

[Koldan]

All those 3rd party tools just devalues archievements of people, you went out of your way to get certain item/archivement/title and others just cheated their way through? Are you proud of your archivement now? As one of the guys said "i dont care about others, MY gameplay is whats important" is mentality that gets us here. It has zero business to be in multiplayer game, pve or pvp.
Its same shitty people how play monster hunter rise with cheats, one shotting monsters in coop. "whats a big deal"? if you dont understand whats the deal you are either stupid or just dishonest with yourself.

[KageTokage]

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

[Risvertasashi]

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

I think most people agree botting is bad.

What loses sympathy is when people advocate for nuclear options against those who downloaded a mod to make their character's eyes look better or get more glamour plates. If people didn't lump in the benign stuff with hardcore hacking I think many more people would agree.

[Driavna]

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

Nope and it's a valid sentiment. Knowing that others get the same as you due botting/cheating/paying real cash remove a needed sense of fairness.

Have to say I love how some downplay the whole thing pointing to no issues like a cactpop solver.

[Saraide]

All those 3rd party tools just devalues archievements of people, you went out of your way to get certain item/archivement/title and others just cheated their way through? Are you proud of your archivement now? As one of the guys said "i dont care about others, MY gameplay is whats important" is mentality that gets us here. It has zero business to be in multiplayer game, pve or pvp.
Its same shitty people how play monster hunter rise with cheats, one shotting monsters in coop. "whats a big deal"? if you dont understand whats the deal you are either stupid or just dishonest with yourself.

Yes, yes I am still proud of what I achieved. No cheater can take that away from me because I did those savage fights for myself, to have fun overcoming them. I'm sorry all you look for is bragging rights. All you have ever fought for will eventually become watered down because more people do it, better strats get developed, new gear gets brought into the game. Are you really having fun doing savage or ultimate? Are you really having fun playing monster hunter? Or is all your enjoyment coming from bragging and feeling superior to someone else?

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

But is it worth it trying to crack down on all third party programs for that? Fighting against cheaters is often times a futile effort and even the most aggressive anti cheat softwares will still let a lot of cheaters through. Effort that could be spent on more meaningful projects. A lot of third party programs offer solutions to problems the devs cant/wont solve like machinist not being playable at high ping.
There's always going to be clowns who think they're the hot shit, I think the best way to go about it is to just judge people based on how they behave and play instead of what they brag about with. We put far too much notice on titles and medals instead of the path that got us there. If someone is worth interacting with, it will become clear soon enough.

Honestly someone doing nothing else but bragging about titles makes it really quick to find out if they are worth interacting with.

[Koldan]

So now we are on "cheaters are fine, its about how YOU feel about it" stage? Seriously? All gameplay affecting stuff SHOULD be disabled on developers lvl. Noone cares if your modded dress on your screen look different, but how you make invisible telegraphs appear on your screen with 3rd party software? Software calls out mechanics from you because you cant encrypt network packets thats also fine? How we remove intended animation lock form some abilities so you can tripple weave since some mysterious jp server dveller is supposed to be able to do it? Where do we stop with that crap?
I dont say we should ban people for using ffxivalexander or something. They just should make game fair for everyone.

[Axxion]

So now we are on "cheaters are fine, its about how YOU feel about it" stage? Seriously? All gameplay affecting stuff SHOULD be disabled on developers lvl. Noone cares if your modded dress on your screen look different, but how you make invisible telegraphs appear on your screen with 3rd party software? Software calls out mechanics from you because you cant encrypt network packets thats also fine? How we remove intended animation lock form some abilities so you can tripple weave since some mysterious jp server dveller is supposed to be able to do it? Where do we stop with that crap?
I dont say we should ban people for using ffxivalexander or something. They just should make game fair for everyone.

My question is to you is what about people that use them to help them play, if they have disabilities?

[Saraide]

So now we are on "cheaters are fine, its about how YOU feel about it" stage? Seriously? All gameplay affecting stuff SHOULD be disabled on developers lvl. Noone cares if your modded dress on your screen look different, but how you make invisible telegraphs appear on your screen with 3rd party software? Software calls out mechanics from you because you cant encrypt network packets thats also fine? How we remove intended animation lock form some abilities so you can tripple weave since some mysterious jp server dveller is supposed to be able to do it? Where do we stop with that crap?
I dont say we should ban people for using ffxivalexander or something. They just should make game fair for everyone.

You seem to be under the impression that having a working anti cheat software is just as easy as flipping the light switch on and off. It's not, CoD warzone is employing kernel level anti cheat software and it still fails regularly at preventing cheaters. Cheats are a massive arm's race, one that's not worth getting into in a game that's not pvp focus'd and not relying on f2p economics.
Also, what do you consider fair? Is blind progging the whole tier on the same level as just looking up every strat? Is it fair that i get to brag with my e12s mount despite not having to figure out any of the relativities? Is it fair that people can just do old savage fights unsync'd and do strats like goodbye world?
Let me ask you again, what do you find fun about savage, ultimate or any other difficult content in any game you play?

[LittleImp]

Also, what do you consider fair? Is blind progging the whole tier on the same level as just looking up every strat? Is it fair that i get to brag with my e12s mount despite not having to figure out any of the relativities? Is it fair that people can just do old savage fights unsync'd and do strats like goodbye world?

I mean, using a guide or un-syncing a fight isn't explicitly against the terms of service, and doesn't involve automating portions of the game. It's pretty easy to see that their definition of fair is probably something like "Not using an explicitly banned cheat program to gain an advantage".