Mods and cheat engine

[IdowhatIwant]

Cactbot can be scripted to provide logical solutions based on a variety of tells that it can gather via network packets, sometimes before the mechanic is even visible client-side.



This isn't simply telling you what your debuff is; It's reading both the placement of the lasers AND your debuff, and then telling you where to pilot your character.



Here it is reading two peoples debuffs and making a decisions about Nisi.



Here it is instantly reading the coordinates where un-targetable actors spawn, then telling you exactly where and when to stand on a plugin-compatible marker set. It even used to be able to place the markers for you dynamically in combat, before the new marker system was rolled out .

In P3S it can call the plumes 4-5 seconds before they appear on screen, due to it using the same code as Cruise Chasers Optical Sight.

In the EW final trial it can instantly determine where the safespot from the large aoes are by reading actor coordinates as they spawn.

Again, the source-code for this plugin is public and I have read large portions of it. I could pull out examples all day where it's applying logic in lieu of the player, sometimes by reading tells that aren't even visible to the player yet. Just because it doesn't support a few fights well, doesn't mean it can't offer blatant shortcuts in others. And it does all of this instantly, and without making mistakes.

You realize, all this information is online, where to stand during certain mechanics, what time mechanics will happen.

[HollowedDoll]

Handicap IS a derogatory word in the UK and Europe because it's used to aggressively against people with mental and physical disabilities.

So, I should take offense at the word woman because mysogynists use it in a deragotary way, gotcha.

[JanVanding]

So, I should take offense at the word woman because mysogynists use it in a deragotary way, gotcha.

context is important always. Note the context they offered WAS to use it in a derogatory way (to insult the ability and/or intelligence of other players) you see this is the thing with "Muh free speech" types.

You're free to say whatever you like, but there are consequences for using words in a derogatory context.

You wish to use the word Handicap? Fine

You wish to use it in a way that surmises people are low intelligence or physically incapable? That's using it in a discriminatory manner, stuff that can get you not only suspended/banned from the forums, but banned from the game.

That's the "Consequences"

[LittleImp]

You realize, all this information is online, where to stand during certain mechanics, what time mechanics will happen.

It isn't provided to you dynamically, and specifically catered to your exact game-state in the moment. If you learn something from a guide, you still need to apply pattern recognition, solve the mechanic using logic and then execute on that conclusion. Cactbot fundamentally automates 2/3rd's of that interaction for the player.

[Axxion]

It's crazy how there are still people spouting this “third-party tools will become required” nonsense. ACT is there since ARR and nothing changed. Not one fight is designed around the use of ACT or even Cactbot and never will. There are tons of players who clear even savage content without these tools. So what are you even arguing about?

very simple Dr. Watson. From our deductions they just want to argue just to argue.

[IdowhatIwant]

context is important always. Note the context they offered WAS to use it in a derogatory way (to insult the ability and/or intelligence of other players) you see this is the thing with "Muh free speech" types.

You're free to say whatever you like, but there are consequences for using words in a derogatory context.

You wish to word the word Handicap? Fine

You wish to use it in a way that surmises people are low intelligence or physically incapable? That's using it in a discriminatory manner, stuff that can get you not only suspended/banned from the forums, but banned from the game.

That's the "Consequences"

Stop. Handicapped is not a derogatory term, that's why they have handicap parking spots, handicap stickers for your car, and handicap stalls in bathrooms, but I guess these things are derogatory in existence then? Every one wants to turn every word into something it isn't. It's time to stop.

[JanVanding]

Stop. Handicapped is not a derogatory term, that's why they have handicap parking spots, handicap stickers for your car, and handicap stalls in bathrooms, but I guess these things are derogatory in existence then? Every one wants to turn every word into something it isn't. It's time to stop.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...out-disability

You're welcome.

Just because it isn't an insult in the US doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere. Remember you're playing an International game and posting on an International forum

Just because it isn't seen as derogatory in the US doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere in the world.

[Yahallo]

Gasp raiders don't fight mods meant to be used while raiding and just tip toe around parsers discriminating against classes that do 2% less damage. shocking. Please stop being disingenuous. All it takes is a trip to the dps/tank/healer forums to see the panic posts about perceived numbers possibly maybe preventing classes from joining groups, self imposed or otherwise.

Forum users are a minority and I see plenty of people using the lower DPS classes in Savage. You are the one being disingenuous here. Any raider with their salt knows that it is possible to clear with any job and that if you are hitting enrage, it is not because of the job.

[Shougun]

It isn't provided to you dynamically, and specifically catered to your exact game-state in the moment. If you learn something from a guide, you still need to apply pattern recognition, solve the mechanic using logic and then execute on that conclusion. Cactbot fundamentally automates 2/3rd's of that interaction for the player.

I understand maybe for some people this isn't helpful. I said it in the other thread but for sake of this one too.

This concept DOES help me, when I played WoW DBM (and other like tools) made me a better player while also having to give less effort (meaning technically more could be expected without going out of the comfort zone).

Maybe for some it's not that useful or is similar to reading a guide, from my personal perspective it will make some players better while also making them have to work less hard.

I think that is substantial, I'm not really calling a ban for it-- I just want the conversation to be more honest. I feel some are exaggerating the evils of some of the more popular tools and others are acting like they do nothing at all. Neither of those seem right to me. If you're playing better in my group because of this tool... that's nice for me lol, but experience from WoW I say that the tool discussed would absolutely allow me to play better with less info. I'd respond faster, more accurately, and more consistently. IE, better. Which 'could' have an impact on how hard SE thinks they need to make stuff, or make people asking for harder things because they've a tool helping them... and if they want it harder it's a bit weird given they're having Navi whisper in their ear on how to play best while other players don't get that.

It wouldn't bother me if the tool was baked right into the game official, but I do strongly believe the tool has an impact on some players presented skill levels and may also likely have an actual indirect impact on the devs (though it is of course important to note some people are so into playing good that the tool is useless, you know those people who call out the entire raid while also playing perfectly). Of course if you don't have the agility for the responsive nature then having more info probably wont help lol, also as people know- can have an expert call out player but if people don't actually listen it wont help.. So it's not a magic bullet, but I'd at least call it a solid modifier for many people (x2 to output, so long as your output isn't 0, and you're not already well beyond and above requirements-- can be very useful).

[Kolaina]

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...out-disability

You're welcome.

Just because it isn't an insult in the US doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere. Remember you're playing an International game and posting on an International forum

Just because it isn't seen as derogatory in the US doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere in the world.

Not everyone is from the uk. If you want to take it the way you are that’s on you. Doesn’t mean people are delivering it to be insulting. Keep up with the victim mentality. You’ll go far