Mods and cheat engine

[Atamis]

Given that Gshade modders have now released a filter for P3S for people like me with Deuteronomy, I find the person calling the mods "Handicap" mods extremely offensive.

It's like they're saying I shouldn't raid because SE didn't have time to QA a certain fight so the fact I can't see anything going on it means I should give up entirely and that's straight up discrimination.

For the record I did not say any of that. You did. Handicap isn't a derogatory word. If you define it as such i have no control over that and it isn't my business.
Shaders to overcome a physical limitation isn't the same as an advantage (or disadvantage) given to one side. nor did i advocate for discrimination based on that. Mods to alleviate problems like that (or replacing spider mobs with anything else) is definitely where mods shine.

[JanVanding]

Gasp raiders don't fight mods meant to be used while raiding and just tip toe around parsers discriminating against classes that do 2% less damage. shocking. Please stop being disingenuous. All it takes is a trip to the dps/tank/healer forums to see the panic posts about perceived numbers possibly maybe preventing classes from joining groups, self imposed or otherwise.

Cleared P1S with a PLD, a WHM and myself on SGE
A group cleared P4S all phases with DNC/MCH

Jobs are getting buffed really soon anyway and there is little call for these panic threads.

There will always be meta sheep, this has been true for 20 years of MMO gaming.

They are a loud minority and the common phrase among the Raiding community at wide is "Never play a Meta job if you're not comfortable with it, comfort will always outperform a job you're not used to playing regularly"

It's hysteria, nothing more.

[GrizzlyTank]

These threads always feel disingenuous...

[JanVanding]

For the record I did not say any of that. You did. Handicap isn't a derogatory word. If you define it as such i have no control over that and it isn't my business.
Shaders to overcome a physical limitation isn't the same as an advantage (or disadvantage) given to one side. nor did i advocate for discrimination based on that. Mods to alleviate problems like that (or replacing spider mobs with anything else) is definitely where mods shine.

Handicap IS a derogatory word in the UK and Europe because it's used to aggressively against people with mental and physical disabilities.

I have Deuteronomy, I literally can't see anything in P3 because it's all Orange and my eyes wont account for near colour shades, so I have to strain looking for shapes and patterns, which puts me at a disadvantage because it will take me an extra second to react to a mechanic than it normally would.

[Kolaina]

Handicap IS a derogatory word in the UK and Europe because it's used to aggressively against people with mental and physical disabilities.

I have Deuteronomy, I literally can't see anything in P3 because it's all Orange and my eyes wont account for near colour shades, so I have to strain looking for shapes and patterns, which puts me at a disadvantage because it will take me an extra second to react to a mechanic than it normally would.

I think it’s a YOU problem if you take it as an insult. I’m sure many of us know about the UK. Police knocking on doors over tweets instead of addressing actual crimes. It’s a word. It’s not being used to attack you. It’s not being used to hold you down. You are choosing to allow this word to hurt you. Offence is taken, not given

[IdowhatIwant]

Gasp raiders don't fight mods meant to be used while raiding and just tip toe around parsers discriminating against classes that do 2% less damage. shocking. Please stop being disingenuous. All it takes is a trip to the dps/tank/healer forums to see the panic posts about perceived numbers possibly maybe preventing classes from joining groups, self imposed or otherwise.

At this point every class has completed savage. So claiming classes are discriminated against for 2% less damage is very inaccurate. And yes there is a problem with class balance right now and its far greater than a 2% difference. If you did any research you would know this. The class with the smallest percentage of playersr that have cleared is MCH. And that is because SE has held the class at lower DPS for some fantasy ranged tax that players like you have made up, so less people play the class in general. I don't understand how people think this community is so friendly when you have people making up statistics to fit there narrative. Sadly this game is full of players that believe they play this game this way so it should go above and beyond to fit there needs and no one elses.

Those players are the problem, and those players are why there is boring repetitive content, poor class design, and a toxic environment.

[Shialan]

It's crazy how there are still people spouting this “third-party tools will become required” nonsense. ACT is there since ARR and nothing changed. Not one fight is designed around the use of ACT or even Cactbot and never will. There are tons of players who clear even savage content without these tools. So what are you even arguing about?

[JanVanding]

I think it’s a YOU problem if you take it as an insult. I’m sure many of us know about the UK. Police knocking on doors over tweets instead of addressing actual crimes. It’s a word. It’s not being used to attack you. It’s not being used to hold you down. You are choosing to allow this word to hurt you. Offence is taken, not given

Ahh, the "please stop cancelling me" poster.

Nope, it was found that word was used to insult far more than it was used to describe, heck I grew up in a community where the kids and in some cases grown adults would regularly insult disabled people and make jokes about "Spackers" and "Handicapped" people

It's was nasty and frowned upon even then, so don't try pretend that Guy who got Scottish Police knocking at his door for getting his dog to raise it's paw during certain 1940's speeches were replayed is even the same context.

It's been taken as derogatory since the early 90's, it's not some modern anti-language policing agenda and they were clearly aiming it at the same damn type of context (aimed as an insult of intelligence and ability).

[LittleImp]

Absolutely incorrect and shows the disinformation campaign against certain plug ins has spread.

You can always tell the ones that are pushing hearsay over the actual facts.

Cactbot can be scripted to provide logical solutions based on a variety of tells that it can gather via network packets, sometimes before the mechanic is even visible client-side.



This isn't simply telling you what your debuff is; It's reading both the placement of the lasers AND your debuff, and then telling you where to pilot your character.



Here it is reading two peoples debuffs and making a decisions about Nisi.



Here it is instantly reading the coordinates where un-targetable actors spawn, then telling you exactly where and when to stand on a plugin-compatible marker set. It even used to be able to place the markers for you dynamically in combat, before the new marker system was rolled out .

In P3S it can call the plumes 4-5 seconds before they appear on screen, due to it using the same code as Cruise Chasers Optical Sight.

In the EW final trial it can instantly determine where the safespot from the large aoes are by reading actor coordinates as they spawn.

Again, the source-code for this plugin is public and I have read large portions of it. I could pull out examples all day where it's applying logic in lieu of the player, sometimes by reading tells that aren't even visible to the player yet. Just because it doesn't support a few fights well, doesn't mean it can't offer blatant shortcuts in others. And it does all of this instantly, and without making mistakes.

[JanVanding]

Cactbot can be scripted to provide logical solutions based on a variety of tells that it can gather via network packets, sometimes before the mechanic is even visible client-side.



This isn't simply telling you what your debuff is; It's reading both the placement of the lasers AND your debuff, and then telling you where to pilot your character.



Here it is reading two peoples debuffs and making a decisions about Nisi.



Here it is instantly reading the coordinates where un-targetable actors spawn, then telling you exactly where and when to stand on a plugin-compatible marker set. It even used to be able to place the markers for you dynamically in combat, before the new marker system was rolled out .

In P3S it can call the plumes 4-5 seconds before they appear on screen, due to it using the same code as Cruise Chasers Optical Sight.

In the EW final trial it can instantly determine where the safespot from the large aoes are by reading actor coordinates as they spawn.

Again, the source-code for this plugin is public and I have read large portions of it. I could pull out examples all day where it's applying logic in lieu of the player, sometimes by reading tells that aren't even visible to the player yet. Just because it doesn't support a few fights well, doesn't mean it can't offer blatant shortcuts in others. And it does all of this instantly, and without making mistakes.

Then as someone who would never use it to that kind of level, that's a bit much and definitely cheating, it could be because I never have it switched on in 99% of content and if I start seeing it doing stuff like that in Panda Savage, it's getting uninstalled and to heck with the fact that I probably won't be able to see in P3S (hopefully SE has finally done something about the orange vomit soon anyway)

I will admit my experience with it, is limited at best, could be as you put it, there's not a lot of support in current content so it's only displaying bare minimum information, but should it get that way? Uninstalled, because that's just straight telling you how to play the game.