Mods and cheat engine

[IdowhatIwant]

It doesn't happen because the community fights back against mods and here we are in a thread trying to justify mod use because it doesn't effect me personally.
Funny how that works.

Not really, not when the community turns it into a witch hunt as to who is using parsers, who is using graphic enhancers. A large part of the community doesn't care if it doesn't affect game play or other players. The loud part of the community wants to witch hunt and ban everyone with a different point of view than them.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

but when the solution trivializes the encounter into a game of simon says, no thanks.

Alright. Do you have a raid leader ? Someone that shotcalls mechanics ? Then you're no better than a cactbot user. You don't ? Nice. 90% of the game does. Should we forbid people from being on voice chat when doing savage and ultimate ?

It doesn't happen because the community fights back against mods and here we are in a thread trying to justify mod use because it doesn't effect me personally.

We're all so very proud of you, but then again, despite the parsers being ALMOST approved implicitly, if someone ever told someone else "you're not doing more than 5k, we kick you", they wouldn't last long before meeting a GM. Because the devs fight back, not you. The same will happen with Cactbot.

Besides, they're not fighting back, they're preventing such behaviors to occur in a public place. Because of course it happens in rosters, and maybe some rosters will ask for cactbot... But that's private stuff, and it has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Since there will never be a fight designed with cactbot in mind, there will always be visual, textual or audio cues to analyze mechanics, therefore, you won't ever NEED it, therefore, you will always be trusted to play without it if you can prove you can do it. If you're afraid of falling behind because you don't use cactbot, just get better, that's what PvE is about. And no, I don't use cactbot myself, but again, I still see no reason to be against it.

[Atamis]

Alright. Do you have a raid leader ? Someone that shotcalls mechanics ? Then you're no better than a cactbot user.

Since there will never be a fight designed with cactbot in mind, there will always be visual, textual or audio cues to analyze mechanics, therefore, you won't ever NEED it, therefore, you will always be trusted to play without it if you can prove you can do it. If you're afraid of falling behind because you don't use cactbot, just get better, that's what PvE is about. And no, I don't use cactbot myself, but again, I still see no reason to be against it.

Cactbot doesn't make human errors in judgement ot timing. It is a skill that is earned even if the raid caller is watching robot callouts on their end.
When these mods become commonplace the community suffers. parsers toe the line as is and yes people still get filtered from statics for not having logs or acceptable numbers. You can pretend it doesn't happen by pointing to party finder but lets not pretend discord doesn't exist and hasn't become the premier place to recruit.
I applaud SE for making fights have audio visual tells instead of relying on danger zones and seemingly random timed sequences. I just don't wish to see these handicap mods become commonplace and then required.

[JanVanding]

False. This usually bleeds into the general population by making these "easy mode" mods mandatory to join a group. Take a peak over at wow where DBM has become mandatory for any raid.
Being difficult to see is part of the encounter. Someone having an undisclosed "handicap" is one thing but when the solution trivializes the encounter into a game of simon says, no thanks.

Absolutely incorrect and shows the disinformation campaign against certain plug ins has spread.

You can always tell the ones that are pushing hearsay over the actual facts.

The plug in you're referring to does not turn it into a game of simon says, in fact if you do that, you'll wind up wiping your raid as already pointed out by others in the thread.

It's a weak auras style cast bar and warning system, it won't do the fight for you.

"Oh but it tells you left and right"

So does the boss if you read the bosses cast bar on left/right mechanics or in P1Ses case, watch the direction the boss faces and watch the weapons it pulls out which is a heavily telegraphed tell.

"But it tells you your debuffs"

So does your debuff bar if you look at it.

It's not telling you anything that isn't information already available, anything that requires you to solve it with no cast bar tell

The plug in won't tell you. A good example is P1S shining cell flails, you have to watch the boss.

Another is Zodiark EX, how the mechanics work, it won't tell you anything because theres no clear castbar tells.

So much disinformation being spread, so very few people actually understand what that plug in does.

[IdowhatIwant]

Cactbot doesn't make human errors in judgement ot timing. It is a skill that is earned even if the raid caller is watching robot callouts on their end.
When these mods become commonplace the community suffers. parsers toe the line as is and yes people still get filtered from statics for not having logs or acceptable numbers. You can pretend it doesn't happen by pointing to party finder but lets not pretend discord doesn't exist and hasn't become the premier place to recruit.
I applaud SE for making fights have audio visual tells instead of relying on danger zones and seemingly random timed sequences. I just don't wish to see these handicap mods become commonplace and then required.

1. If you get filtered make you own party.
2. If you are getting filtered it likely means you are not meeting requirements to raid to begin with, perhaps take time to learn your class more or improve your gear.
3. SE only takes action if you are using parsers to harass players.
4. Not allowing players to join your party for x reason is not considered harassment.
5. Dummies have no point in existing is parsers did not exist.

[JanVanding]

1. If you get filtered make you own party.
2. If you are getting filtered it likely means you are not meeting requirements to raid to begin with, perhaps take time to learn your class more or improve your gear.
3. SE only takes action if you are using parsers to harass players.
4. Not allowing players to join your party for x reason is not considered harassment.
5. Dummies have no point in existing is parsers did not exist.

Additionally to this.

All groups will do if they see someone massively underperforming (dying constantly at the same mechanic, doing way below expected dps) is disband and reform without that person.

That's not harassment, it's well within their right and people need to remember a little thing they agree to when they consent to unlocking Extreme and Savage.

"Upon agreeing to this you will be consenting to more difficult content where you will be expected to perform to the best of your abilities"

Clicking agree means you know you're expected to try your best at all times in that content. If you are free styling, stood around, not doing anything or dying over and over and over again to the same mechanic and refusing to listen when the raid leader tries to calmly explain it.

Sorry, but you're not trying your best, you're trying to get carried and you're not fulfilling the letter of the constent.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Everything said above +

Cactbot doesn't make human errors in judgement ot timing. It is a skill that is earned even if the raid caller is watching robot callouts on their end.

Either you don't know what you're talking about, either you do and just hate cactbot so much just out of principle.

When these mods become commonplace the community suffers. parsers toe the line as is and yes people still get filtered from statics for not having logs or acceptable numbers. You can pretend it doesn't happen by pointing to party finder but lets not pretend discord doesn't exist and hasn't become the premier place to recruit.

As I said, this is private stuff, and as I said, I'm sure if you can show these people in roster trials that you don't need cactbot, they'll take you if you're good enough. Or they don't know how the game works and won't make much progress, so you're not missing on anything. And even then, nothing prevents you from doing your own static, cactbot-free, if EVER every last static demands you got it.

I applaud SE for making fights have audio visual tells instead of relying on danger zones and seemingly random timed sequences. I just don't wish to see these handicap mods become commonplace and then required.

You've made that clear, but please don't call them handicap mods, and please, stop pretending you know what is just or not. To each his own, there are people out there that have their own endgame that focuses on gardening, surely, you'll always find people that don't want to install cactbot if it ever becomes somewhat mandatory.

[Yahallo]

It doesn't happen because the community fights back against mods and here we are in a thread trying to justify mod use because it doesn't effect me personally.
Funny how that works.

We don't fight back against mods. Look at the raiding scene and you see the mass use of ACT and FFLogs. It has been a thing since ARR, always has been and always will be. You are pretty much wrong on all accounts as others in this thread have pointed out.

[JanVanding]

Everything said above +


Either you don't know what you're talking about, either you do and just hate cactbot so much just out of principle.



As I said, this is private stuff, and as I said, I'm sure if you can show these people in roster trials that you don't need cactbot, they'll take you if you're good enough. Or they don't know how the game works and won't make much progress, so you're not missing on anything. And even then, nothing prevents you from doing your own static, cactbot-free, if EVER every last static demands you got it.



You've made that clear, but please don't call them handicap mods, and please, stop pretending you know what is just or not. To each his own, there are people out there that have their own endgame that focuses on gardening, surely, you'll always find people that don't want to install cactbot if it ever becomes somewhat mandatory.

Given that Gshade modders have now released a filter for P3S for people like me with Deuteronomy, I find the person calling the mods "Handicap" mods extremely offensive.

It's like they're saying I shouldn't raid because SE didn't have time to QA a certain fight so the fact I can't see anything going on it means I should give up entirely and that's straight up discrimination.

[Atamis]

We don't fight back against mods. Look at the raiding scene and you see the mass use of ACT and FFLogs. It has been a thing since ARR, always has been and always will be. You are pretty much wrong on all accounts as others in this thread have pointed out.

Gasp raiders don't fight mods meant to be used while raiding and just tip toe around parsers discriminating against classes that do 2% less damage. shocking. Please stop being disingenuous. All it takes is a trip to the dps/tank/healer forums to see the panic posts about perceived numbers possibly maybe preventing classes from joining groups, self imposed or otherwise.