Mods and cheat engine

[Shougun]

Kind of said in the other thread but my position on mods in a short summary is if they're not going to allow them like a few other MMOs do then they should take mods as an active, important, and playful challenge. The players throw down the gauntlet of what the UI should do and the devs, imo, should take that gauntlet as seriously as reasonably possible. For example the addon that basically plays triple triad for you.. maybe not, but there are A LOT of huge QoL, and feature to be honest, mods as well.

If someone at SE isn't actively with responsibility to watch the addons, at least from popular sources (not reasonable to see everything all the time, and maybe a waste of time at that point) then I think that should change. Just.. be careful in case one of the mods is capable of being a security threat. What a terrible story "SE hacked by addon creator" lol. If it needs to be so, just watch youtube videos XD.

IMO to me the shame is whole swathes of people not being able to enjoy it, while the game potentially also being influenced by them (like DBM did to WoW, which FFXIV does have a vaguely similar variant), while also losing a lot of potential QoL and honestly community creativity (although addons also have an annoying side, where they break- anyone in WoW remember an update destroying your addons? lol.......... /tableflip).

The two systems that currently support this have made huge strides over time, and it seems recently, at least one in particular, is getting even more attention. So this issue / concept is only going to become stronger. It honestly took longer than I thought it would (not the devs on these tools, just their existence in the first place- minus the parse specific aspect that's been around AGEs).. but now that it's here it seems to be growing quite quickly.

"How do you know all this!?!?!" Just actually read reddit sometimes... It's posted there semi-frequently, and from there the websites that run it are usually well documented - learning about this is like a lazy 10 second google.

As for safety, none of those tools are safe to say you use within the game or likely here (except reshade like tool), yet FFXIV doesn't want to malware our computers so that's really where the harm is going to come when you're not actively cheating (teleport hax or what have).

[Apeachs]

2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

ACT is unauthorized third party software and it collects data from the game. And players can send collected data into services like fflogs.

Very nice you took up the rules

And about the Witch hunt part. Im sure heavy users of mods might feel this. But again no naming here on the public forum.

It's simply not allowed to modify files.

2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game.

[JanVanding]

ACT is unauthorized third party software and it collects data from the game. And players can send collected data into services like fflogs.

Very nice you took up the rules

And about the Witch hunt part. Im sure heavy users of mods might feel this. But again no naming here on the public forum.

It's simply not allowed to modify files.

Worded exemption from the Gamed Director.

Look it up, you're fighting a battle you already lost.

[Shougun]

Worded exemption from the Gamed Director.

Look it up, you're fighting a battle you already lost.

Yoshida has said "Cactbot is okay to use" ?

I saw something recently where he mentioned some of the tools are just "don't be harassing people and we're not going to bother", but I never saw him say "Cactbot is okay!". Which honestly would make me feel bad he said that.

He says a tool that gives you better combat comprehension is okay, which to me reads as perhaps he should have made the game itself do that instead... ....

[JanVanding]

Yoshida has said "Cactbot is oaky to use" ?

I saw something recently where he mentioned some of the tools are just "don't be harassing people and we're not going to bother", but I never saw him say "Cactbot is okay!". Which honestly would make me feel bad he said that.

He says a tool that gives you better combat comprehension is okay, which to me reads as perhaps he should have made the game itself do that instead... ....

ACT and it's plugins were all exempted unless a plug in literally allows you to bot/autopilot of actually begins to mess with server code then there's no issue

None of ACTs plug ins do.

[Apeachs]

Worded exemption from the Gamed Director.

Look it up, you're fighting a battle you already lost.

I don't think I lost any battles here. I simply ask for a system to detect unauthorized third party software. And a way protecting the game files so they cant me modified. And this is really important for the future of the game. If everyone just say "its okay to run unauthorized third party software" what will then happen with the game? Sure World of Warcraft have add-ons, but they are allowed to. Thats the big difference here.

[Sathona]

Everyone here on this forum that keep defending the use of mods that it's only for personal enjoyment. Thats not true at all. This pictures will be posted on Free Companies discords. So when a player without using mods are taking some pictures and posting them only a few players find those pictures nice. They wont say anything of course.
Using Mods and hacks does have a negative impact for others that just wanna play by the Rules & Policies and enjoy the game with others.

Just play the way you want to play, and please dont harass people minding their own bussiness by DMing them nonsense.

Also your attitude and actions will get you banned before any ledge-sitter, as other fellow players told you in this thread.

Also installing detection software is illegal in Japan afaik[could be wrong on this], on top of Yoshi P himself not wanting to invade the privacy of their players.
All he asks for is for ppl not to use the tools to harass others.

[JanVanding]

I don't think I lost any battles here. I simply ask for a system to detect unauthorized third party software. And a way protecting the game files so they cant me modified. And this is really important for the future of the game. If everyone just say "its okay to run unauthorized third party software" what will then happen with the game? Sure World of Warcraft have add-ons, but they are allowed to. Thats the big difference here.

Already ruled out in that same QA.

"We do not want to put intrusive software on your machines"

Because of a little thing called GDPR, SE would end up in court and their product pulled from Europe and Stream for breaching GDPR.

Sorry California man, time to look beyond your box and see that Japanese game company follows international laws and policies, not US "do whatever we like" policy.

[Apeachs]

Already ruled out in that same QA.

"We do not want to put intrusive software on your machines"

Because of a little thing called GDPR, SE would end up in court and their product pulled from Europe and Stream for breaching GDPR.

Sorry California man, time to look beyond your box and see that Japanese game company follows international laws and policies, not US "do whatever we like" policy.

Not from California btw. Anyways. They ruled that out at that QA session sure. But the unauthorized third party software mess and modding is just growing and growing. At some point players can just do whatever they want with the game. What then? At some point we have a broken game with no control whats going on. Players can just defeat any bosses because "just install this unauthorized third party software and the game will show you what to do". Oh you don't need to buy this dress from the Final Fantasy Online Store "just install this unauthorized third party software mod" and you have that dress and more. And we have the group that play on the playstation. They start too see whats going with the PC users. They defeat bosses like they are nothing, they show screenshots with all kind of outfits and dresses. What then? Should we split the PC players into one server and PS players into another server? It should be the same experience for both groups.

Oh and about protecting the game and the game files. Im sure it's a way doing so legal and all that. Blizzard done it for many years. And other game companies.

[JanVanding]

Not from California btw. Anyways. They ruled that out at that QA session sure. But the unauthorized third party software mess and modding is just growing and growing. At some point players can just do whatever they want with the game. What then? At some point we have a broken game with no control whats going on. Players can just defeat any bosses because "just install this unauthorized third party software and the game will show you what to do". Oh you don't need to buy this dress from the Final Fantasy Online Store "just install this unauthorized third party software mod" and you have that dress and more. And we have the group that play on the playstation. They start too see whats going with the PC users. They defeat bosses like they are nothing, they show screenshots with all kind of outfits and dresses. What then? Should we split the PC players into one server and PS players into another server? It should be the same experience for both groups.

Oh and about protecting the game and the game files. Im sure it's a way doing so legal and all that. Blizzard done it for many years. And other game companies.

You're not interested in protecting the game nor preserving it's integrity, don't even try that attempt at self Martyrdom.

Do people in SFV complain that people run mods when it's also a cross platform and by the way, highly lucrative and competitive scene? Not at all

Why? Because the mods don't affect YOUR gameplay

If you ran to Capcom screaming they'd ignore you as well just like SE is and that's a game played competitively with real money prizes at stake.

And that game has frame data recording in live matches, hitbox detection mods, model retextures and so on.

Capcom doesn't care because it does not affect YOUR gameplay.

So you can take your authoritarian desires, turn them sidewise and stick them somewhere.....else.