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    How does that affect you in a negative way exactly besides "im on PS so i cant do it".

    Mods are a grey area, they dont care as long as you dont harm others, officially they will obviously say to not use them ofc.

    Personally i dont even go through the effort to report ppl ledge sitting cause it doesnt affect my gameplay at all~

    Most importantly, Yoshi P doesnt want to get in the way of ur privacy and know what you have installed on ur computer, so hes against anti cheats.

    PS: Ledge sitting should become an actual emote at this point, but alas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sathona View Post
    How does that affect you in a negative way exactly besides "im on PS so i cant do it".

    Mods are a grey area, they dont care as long as you dont harm others, officially they will obviously say to not use them ofc.

    Personally i dont even go through the effort to report ppl ledge sitting cause it doesnt affect my gameplay at all~

    Most importantly, Yoshi P doesnt want to get in the way of ur privacy and know what you have installed on ur computer, so hes against anti cheats.

    PS: Ledge sitting should become an actual emote at this point, but alas.
    It's not like they don't want to if the possibility is there, they just can't because of japanese law
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caurcas View Post
    I dunno, I never see house sized breast here. Nor female Au Ra packing heat. Or man roes with literal man boobs. Twitter is a cursed, blighted land.
    Twitter is blighted by weird mods and questionable fetishes, OF is blighted by misinformed folks or ppl who can but wont read.
    Im not a fan of either honestly.

    Quote Originally Posted by NishaSetsuya View Post
    It's not like they don't want to if the possibility is there, they just can't because of japanese law
    Well Yoshi P said they dont want to, im not denying the JPN laws, just saying what he said.


    Also random thought, an NPC near the Sharlayan Marketboard is ledge sitting aaaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sathona View Post
    How does that affect you in a negative way exactly besides "im on PS so i cant do it".

    Mods are a grey area, they dont care as long as you dont harm others, officially they will obviously say to not use them ofc.

    Personally i dont even go through the effort to report ppl ledge sitting cause it doesnt affect my gameplay at all~

    Most importantly, Yoshi P doesnt want to get in the way of ur privacy and know what you have installed on ur computer, so hes against anti cheats.

    PS: Ledge sitting should become an actual emote at this point, but alas.
    It's people with your attitude that make this game ruined with third party tools. This translates into end game content, which is so toxic you're lucky to find a "TOS friendly" clear even on youtube. I had to take a break for a while from this game because the third party people such as yourself are everywhere and obnoxious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saranade View Post
    It's people with your attitude that make this game ruined with third party tools. This translates into end game content, which is so toxic you're lucky to find a "TOS friendly" clear even on youtube. I had to take a break for a while from this game because the third party people such as yourself are everywhere and obnoxious.
    not all tools are evil just depends on who uses them. Some make the game more eye pleasing and can change the vanilla aspects like decorating
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    not all tools are evil just depends on who uses them. Some make the game more eye pleasing and can change the vanilla aspects like decorating
    The tools aren't evil in and of themselves, its completely dependent on the personal conduct of the user. Not to mention some of these "tools" are "free" - you have to ask yourself what information you're giving to some third party to run them. I'd say Square Enix has your best interest in mind in regards to that. Also - its not a grey area - its a full blown TOS violation regardless of platform, and yes it does make it unfair for those who play by the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saranade View Post
    The tools aren't evil in and of themselves, its completely dependent on the personal conduct of the user. Not to mention some of these "tools" are "free" - you have to ask yourself what information you're giving to some third party to run them. I'd say Square Enix has your best interest in mind in regards to that. Also - its not a grey area - its a full blown TOS violation regardless of platform, and yes it does make it unfair for those who play by the rules.
    Yoshida has literally said parsers are a grey area because he knows how much the high-end raid community values them. He may not like them but in a game entirely centered around DPS, they're not going anywhere. The raid scene as a whole would die overnight if all these third party programs were banned and the dev team is well aware of that. Hence why they do nothing about them unless it's made blatantly obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Yoshida has literally said parsers are a grey area because he knows how much the high-end raid community values them. He may not like them but in a game entirely centered around DPS, they're not going anywhere. The raid scene as a whole would die overnight if all these third party programs were banned and the dev team is well aware of that. Hence why they do nothing about them unless it's made blatantly obvious.
    "Indeed, we’ve only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game’s standard features." - Yoshi P." - do you need any other clarification?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saranade View Post
    "Indeed, we’ve only released duties that we have proven can be beaten with the game’s standard features." - Yoshi P." - do you need any other clarification?
    Evidently, you do. This queue doesn't address what I said. Their official stance is not to use third party programs yet they openly acknowledge it's a grey area due to their value and unwillingness to police what we install. The whole point of a grey area is even if something is technically against the rules, said rules will not necessarily enforced unless it becomes a problem.

    Yoshida spells this out here.

    On the subject on clearing content. I never said people required third party programs to clear content. What I said is the raid scene as a whole would die off because people want to use them. FFlogs literally keeps Savage relevant since there's no reason to even bother with the content unless an Ultimate exists. There are so many basic quality of life plugins a good chunk of players would quit the game on the whole if those were banned. Nevermind the mod community, which is massive nowadays. To give you a perspective on just how prevalent these programs are, the estimated amount of active players using them is over 300k.

    Yoshida and the dev team are well aware of just how ubiquitous these programs have become and the impact it would have if they were ever banned. It wouldn't be profitable. Hence why they don't enforce the ToS unless players are harassing others.
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 08-04-2022 at 12:11 PM.
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