Mods and cheat engine

[LianaThorne]

Some people don't like the value of difficult/prestigious achievements being cheapened by people cheating using bots and other third party programs and telling them to "grow up" is about as immature as you're insinuating they are for disliking it.

Hate to break it to you, but it's not just your game. Everyone pays a sub to be here and has the right to play the game how they see fit. Why should someone else getting the same achievement as you in a different way dampen the pride and good feelings you feel from yours? It shouldn't lol. What someone else does with their game really shouldn't affect you at all unless it physically disrupts your gameplay to the point you're getting kicked from the server at a constant rate from hacking/DDoSing.

[Kolaina]

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As I said, rules exist for a reason. I personally believe everyone should be playing on an equal and fair field. These mods and add-ons don’t allow for the that. Keep defending them all you want but you yourself admitted they are bad with the justification of: doesn’t effect you, grow up, not your job.

[IdowhatIwant]

As I said, rules exist for a reason. I personally believe everyone should be playing on an equal and fair field. These mods and add-ons don’t allow for the that. Keep defending them all you want but you yourself admitted they are bad with the justification of: doesn’t effect you, grow up, not your job.

I never said they were bad. I said x was more fun than y. As far as it's usage, I don't care it does not affect me. And if a party requires cactbot I likely won't join like if a party requires x dps. From my experience the worst players rely on crutches. The more limited the party the more it means you are looking for carry. Play the game the way you chose, don't let others control the way you play.

[Koldan]

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

I'm not proud of them for using that, I might even tell them they should do it the legit way... But if they don't want to enjoy the walk there, opposite to me who CAME for the walk, why would I care ? I really feel like I'm repeating myself, but that MAY be because y'all are.

[IdowhatIwant]

Its MMO game, imagine working your ass to get cool glam/archievement for weeks of not months. Then another mod user gets it in one day using some helper tool, are you happy about that? Much proud?
Its not single player game, anything you do and get is reflected in the game and on other players. MMOs should be equal ground for everyone, not "i am just cheating a bit, what a big deal, it doesnt affect you" bullshit.

I don't care my experience in the game trumps others IMO

[Koldan]

All those 3rd party tools just devalues archievements of people, you went out of your way to get certain item/archivement/title and others just cheated their way through? Are you proud of your archivement now? As one of the guys said "i dont care about others, MY gameplay is whats important" is mentality that gets us here. It has zero business to be in multiplayer game, pve or pvp.
Its same shitty people how play monster hunter rise with cheats, one shotting monsters in coop. "whats a big deal"? if you dont understand whats the deal you are either stupid or just dishonest with yourself.

[Saraide]

All those 3rd party tools just devalues archievements of people, you went out of your way to get certain item/archivement/title and others just cheated their way through? Are you proud of your archivement now? As one of the guys said "i dont care about others, MY gameplay is whats important" is mentality that gets us here. It has zero business to be in multiplayer game, pve or pvp.
Its same shitty people how play monster hunter rise with cheats, one shotting monsters in coop. "whats a big deal"? if you dont understand whats the deal you are either stupid or just dishonest with yourself.

Yes, yes I am still proud of what I achieved. No cheater can take that away from me because I did those savage fights for myself, to have fun overcoming them. I'm sorry all you look for is bragging rights. All you have ever fought for will eventually become watered down because more people do it, better strats get developed, new gear gets brought into the game. Are you really having fun doing savage or ultimate? Are you really having fun playing monster hunter? Or is all your enjoyment coming from bragging and feeling superior to someone else?

I get that I shouldn't let cheaters suck the joy out of my hard-earned achievements, but I can't help but feel it like it's a slap in the face whenever I run into someone using a bot to grind a difficult and/or time-consuming achievement like big fishing or the pteradactyl from Firmament points; moreso if they're clout chasers who strut around with their fancy title/mount like they're hot stuff when they didn't lift a finger to get it.

Is it really so terrible to expect/want people to put in a fair, honest effort in getting things done? Cause a lot of people certainly seem to think that's the case.

But is it worth it trying to crack down on all third party programs for that? Fighting against cheaters is often times a futile effort and even the most aggressive anti cheat softwares will still let a lot of cheaters through. Effort that could be spent on more meaningful projects. A lot of third party programs offer solutions to problems the devs cant/wont solve like machinist not being playable at high ping.
There's always going to be clowns who think they're the hot shit, I think the best way to go about it is to just judge people based on how they behave and play instead of what they brag about with. We put far too much notice on titles and medals instead of the path that got us there. If someone is worth interacting with, it will become clear soon enough.

Honestly someone doing nothing else but bragging about titles makes it really quick to find out if they are worth interacting with.

[Packetdancer]

All those 3rd party tools just devalues archievements of people, you went out of your way to get certain item/archivement/title and others just cheated their way through? Are you proud of your archivement now?

So, the Coils raids used to be considered very difficult. But you can now run the Coils raids unsynced, with gear and abilities 40 levels higher, and basically solo them. Does this mean that someone who earned the Domitrix title back in ARR can take less pride in it now that the title is "easily achieved"? The presence of the title might be less impressive now, but I'd argue that most raiders who cleared Coils back then will still take pride in the fact that they did so back then, when they were still really difficult.

Heck, my FC's "Retro Raiders" group did Coils properly, synched down and everything, just last fall. And I can take pleasure in the fact that we managed to get through it properly, even if you can solo them unsynched now.

Similarly, I managed to get through Delubrum Reginae's savage variant prior to Zadnor coming out. Now DR Savage is considerably easier, what with the rays of valour mechanic added with Zadnor; people can go in and skip entire mechanics easily. But the fact that DRS is considerably easier now than when it first came out does nothing to change the fact that I'm happy I was able to clear it back then.

Things becoming easier over time is sort of the nature of ongoing online games where you have some sort of power progression (i.e. leveling of some form). If you allow yourself to be unhappy because other people who achieved something did it more easily than you did as a result of that power creep over time, you'll just make yourself miserable. That's why I, personally, choose not to let myself get upset over someone else using tools to make a fight easier (or even just more accessible to them); if I value my own achievements only by their rarity or perceived difficulty, I'll just drive myself mad.

Now, if we're talking about cheating in PvP, yeah, that's a problem; that's someone's cheating directly and deliberately impeding my ability to work towards an achievement, and I think that's wholly justified in getting upset about.

But "I ran content <X> blind, now people can run it unsynched/use Cactbot for callouts/whatever, so my achievement is lessened"? Nah, I can't find it in me to go with that logic. As I said, that way lies madness and misery, regardless of whether or not stuff like Cactbot exists. (Even aside from the fact that, as I noted, I consider Cactbot little different than having a good human raid-caller in voice chat and thus not really "cheating".)

[Melorie]

Things becoming easier over time is sort of the nature of ongoing online games where you have some sort of power progression (i.e. leveling of some form). If you allow yourself to be unhappy because other people who achieved something did it more easily than you did as a result of that power creep over time, you'll just make yourself miserable. That's why I, personally, choose not to let myself get upset over someone else using tools to make a fight easier (or even just more accessible to them); if I value my own achievements only by their rarity or perceived difficulty, I'll just drive myself mad.

I would even say that, if you're the type of person that looks after hard achievements that brings you a sort of status and remain hard for a longer time, FFXIV is not even the best game for that. The relic you did will be easier, the mount you farmed 1493984 fights to get will appear at the moogle tomestone event, the gear you crafted by yourself before all your friends will be useless next patch, the minion or emote you paid bazigillions will be cheap eventually.
If the value of your achievements is solely dependent if others are able to do it or not, you'll always be disappointed, with or without plugin.


And even so, I'm struggling to find plugins that would really help me get certain achievements. You bet that, if I download cactpot, I still won't be able to land into a random ultimate party and clear it.