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    Player JanVanding's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atamis View Post
    For the record I did not say any of that. You did. Handicap isn't a derogatory word. If you define it as such i have no control over that and it isn't my business.
    Shaders to overcome a physical limitation isn't the same as an advantage (or disadvantage) given to one side. nor did i advocate for discrimination based on that. Mods to alleviate problems like that (or replacing spider mobs with anything else) is definitely where mods shine.
    Handicap IS a derogatory word in the UK and Europe because it's used to aggressively against people with mental and physical disabilities.

    I have Deuteronomy, I literally can't see anything in P3 because it's all Orange and my eyes wont account for near colour shades, so I have to strain looking for shapes and patterns, which puts me at a disadvantage because it will take me an extra second to react to a mechanic than it normally would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Handicap IS a derogatory word in the UK and Europe because it's used to aggressively against people with mental and physical disabilities.
    So, I should take offense at the word woman because mysogynists use it in a deragotary way, gotcha.
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    Player JanVanding's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    So, I should take offense at the word woman because mysogynists use it in a deragotary way, gotcha.
    context is important always. Note the context they offered WAS to use it in a derogatory way (to insult the ability and/or intelligence of other players) you see this is the thing with "Muh free speech" types.

    You're free to say whatever you like, but there are consequences for using words in a derogatory context.

    You wish to use the word Handicap? Fine

    You wish to use it in a way that surmises people are low intelligence or physically incapable? That's using it in a discriminatory manner, stuff that can get you not only suspended/banned from the forums, but banned from the game.

    That's the "Consequences"
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    Last edited by JanVanding; 01-18-2022 at 06:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    context is important always. Note the context they offered WAS to use it in a derogatory way (to insult the ability and/or intelligence of other players) you see this is the thing with "Muh free speech" types.

    You're free to say whatever you like, but there are consequences for using words in a derogatory context.

    You wish to word the word Handicap? Fine

    You wish to use it in a way that surmises people are low intelligence or physically incapable? That's using it in a discriminatory manner, stuff that can get you not only suspended/banned from the forums, but banned from the game.

    That's the "Consequences"
    Stop. Handicapped is not a derogatory term, that's why they have handicap parking spots, handicap stickers for your car, and handicap stalls in bathrooms, but I guess these things are derogatory in existence then? Every one wants to turn every word into something it isn't. It's time to stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Handicap IS a derogatory word in the UK and Europe because it's used to aggressively against people with mental and physical disabilities.

    I have Deuteronomy, I literally can't see anything in P3 because it's all Orange and my eyes wont account for near colour shades, so I have to strain looking for shapes and patterns, which puts me at a disadvantage because it will take me an extra second to react to a mechanic than it normally would.
    I think it’s a YOU problem if you take it as an insult. I’m sure many of us know about the UK. Police knocking on doors over tweets instead of addressing actual crimes. It’s a word. It’s not being used to attack you. It’s not being used to hold you down. You are choosing to allow this word to hurt you. Offence is taken, not given
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    I think it’s a YOU problem if you take it as an insult. I’m sure many of us know about the UK. Police knocking on doors over tweets instead of addressing actual crimes. It’s a word. It’s not being used to attack you. It’s not being used to hold you down. You are choosing to allow this word to hurt you. Offence is taken, not given
    Ahh, the "please stop cancelling me" poster.

    Nope, it was found that word was used to insult far more than it was used to describe, heck I grew up in a community where the kids and in some cases grown adults would regularly insult disabled people and make jokes about "Spackers" and "Handicapped" people

    It's was nasty and frowned upon even then, so don't try pretend that Guy who got Scottish Police knocking at his door for getting his dog to raise it's paw during certain 1940's speeches were replayed is even the same context.

    It's been taken as derogatory since the early 90's, it's not some modern anti-language policing agenda and they were clearly aiming it at the same damn type of context (aimed as an insult of intelligence and ability).
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    It's crazy how there are still people spouting this “third-party tools will become required” nonsense. ACT is there since ARR and nothing changed. Not one fight is designed around the use of ACT or even Cactbot and never will. There are tons of players who clear even savage content without these tools. So what are you even arguing about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    It's crazy how there are still people spouting this “third-party tools will become required” nonsense. ACT is there since ARR and nothing changed. Not one fight is designed around the use of ACT or even Cactbot and never will. There are tons of players who clear even savage content without these tools. So what are you even arguing about?
    very simple Dr. Watson. From our deductions they just want to argue just to argue.
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    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    Stop. Handicapped is not a derogatory term, that's why they have handicap parking spots, handicap stickers for your car, and handicap stalls in bathrooms, but I guess these things are derogatory in existence then? Every one wants to turn every word into something it isn't. It's time to stop.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...out-disability

    You're welcome.

    Just because it isn't an insult in the US doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere. Remember you're playing an International game and posting on an International forum

    Just because it isn't seen as derogatory in the US doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...out-disability

    You're welcome.

    Just because it isn't an insult in the US doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere. Remember you're playing an International game and posting on an International forum

    Just because it isn't seen as derogatory in the US doesn't mean it isn't elsewhere in the world.
    Not everyone is from the uk. If you want to take it the way you are that’s on you. Doesn’t mean people are delivering it to be insulting. Keep up with the victim mentality. You’ll go far
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