Mods and cheat engine

[DerpyWhiskers]

Still yet to this day, none of these "Witch Hunt please" people have been able to explain how their gaming experience has been so harmed and ruined by someone else using a calculator to better their own performance or sit on a ledge.

[Miiu]

I really don't care if people use GSHADE or ACT or whatever other mod that makes the game look more pretty to them or allows them to play more efficiently or even use mods to add accessibility features the game doesn't have.
It only affects them. Like if people didn't stream or there would be posts floating around of those tools people who are against those tools wouldn't even notice that they exist.

I get that people think people using parsers will ruin the game experience for everyone else because a certain group of people will have certain expectations when raiding. But parsers have been a thing since realm reborn and the sky hasn't fallen down almost a decade later.

[Lstarbright]

This entire thread is toxic towards people who choose to enjoy in different ways. If two consenting adults want to take NSFW screenshots and want to post them to their NSFW community, who the hell cares. It’s different if they’re going around taking NSFW ss of others and using it to harass them (I have never seen that happen as most are just taking pics of their own character). It seems most rules in the ToS are pointed toward preventing harassment. All the OP is trying to do is ruin the game for ppl that want nothing to do with all this hate and anger. That is more of a harassment than the mods themselves.

[Myrany]

If you use non Bot 3rd party mods I really don't care as long as 2 conditions are met. You are not hacking/botting or You are not using the mod to harass others.

[Apeachs]

I find it intersting how many that are feeling "attacked, witch hunted and now harassed" over that they are breaking the game rules. And again, not naming anyone. The mods will someday be much bigger than they are today with all kinds of interface mods and even mods that will help players with mechanics. And this game is supposed to be without mods.

[Miiu]

I find it intersting how many that are feeling "attacked, witch hunted and now harassed" over that they are breaking the game rules. And again, not naming anyone. The mods will someday be much bigger than they are today with all kinds of interface mods and even mods that will help players with mechanics. And this game is supposed to be without mods.

During ARR I played this game with a friend of mine who has trouble focusing if a lot of things are happening. So if there was no one in voice to call enemy attacks out he'd use ACT as a help to play an alarm sound when certain abilities were being cast. It was the only way for him to not screw up.
So yeah it made the game easier for him but otherwise he'd have had a horrible time because of a condition he can't control. As long as mods don't automate mechanics I don't really give a damn if people use them for accessibility or just to have less of a challenge.
Personally I enjoy challenging content so I won't make use of those tools and as long as they don't hinder my enjoyment of the game I don't really have anything to complain about.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

I find it intersting how many that are feeling "attacked, witch hunted and now harassed" over that they are breaking the game rules.

It's indeed interesting that some people want to enjoy a peaceful cocoon that has been a grey zone for years, adjusted to what SE asked them, and are now peacefully doing whatever they want in their communities.

Why do you care more for "the game rules" than actual SE, except out of jealousy or a wicked sense of justice that presides over freedom ? Just let go, you'll be much happier with no fight to fight.

This applies to shaders and mods, IDC for Cactbot, but then again, why would you care if some people get an "easy mode" ? Maybe they can't do without them because of handicaps, maybe they just want to enjoy the content in an easier way... The fact they kill things don't take those things away from you. Stop being jealous and focusing on them when you could be doing more interesting things.

[Atamis]

This applies to shaders and mods, IDC for Cactbot, but then again, why would you care if some people get an "easy mode" ? Maybe they can't do without them because of handicaps, maybe they just want to enjoy the content in an easier way... The fact they kill things don't take those things away from you.

False. This usually bleeds into the general population by making these "easy mode" mods mandatory to join a group. Take a peak over at wow where DBM has become mandatory for any raid.
Being difficult to see is part of the encounter. Someone having an undisclosed "handicap" is one thing but when the solution trivializes the encounter into a game of simon says, no thanks.

[LianaThorne]

False. This usually bleeds into the general population by making these "easy mode" mods mandatory to join a group. Take a peak over at wow where DBM has become mandatory for any raid.
Being difficult to see is part of the encounter. Someone having an undisclosed "handicap" is one thing but when the solution trivializes the encounter into a game of simon says, no thanks.

This isn't WoW and I've personally never encountered a group that requires plugins (since that's what I'm assuming you're referring to) to be a part of it in 2 years of daily play. That's most likely even reportable.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

but when the solution trivializes the encounter into a game of simon says, no thanks.

Alright. Do you have a raid leader ? Someone that shotcalls mechanics ? Then you're no better than a cactbot user. You don't ? Nice. 90% of the game does. Should we forbid people from being on voice chat when doing savage and ultimate ?

It doesn't happen because the community fights back against mods and here we are in a thread trying to justify mod use because it doesn't effect me personally.

We're all so very proud of you, but then again, despite the parsers being ALMOST approved implicitly, if someone ever told someone else "you're not doing more than 5k, we kick you", they wouldn't last long before meeting a GM. Because the devs fight back, not you. The same will happen with Cactbot.

Besides, they're not fighting back, they're preventing such behaviors to occur in a public place. Because of course it happens in rosters, and maybe some rosters will ask for cactbot... But that's private stuff, and it has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

Since there will never be a fight designed with cactbot in mind, there will always be visual, textual or audio cues to analyze mechanics, therefore, you won't ever NEED it, therefore, you will always be trusted to play without it if you can prove you can do it. If you're afraid of falling behind because you don't use cactbot, just get better, that's what PvE is about. And no, I don't use cactbot myself, but again, I still see no reason to be against it.