Mods and cheat engine

[Apeachs]

Already ruled out in that same QA.

"We do not want to put intrusive software on your machines"

Because of a little thing called GDPR, SE would end up in court and their product pulled from Europe and Stream for breaching GDPR.

Sorry California man, time to look beyond your box and see that Japanese game company follows international laws and policies, not US "do whatever we like" policy.

Not from California btw. Anyways. They ruled that out at that QA session sure. But the unauthorized third party software mess and modding is just growing and growing. At some point players can just do whatever they want with the game. What then? At some point we have a broken game with no control whats going on. Players can just defeat any bosses because "just install this unauthorized third party software and the game will show you what to do". Oh you don't need to buy this dress from the Final Fantasy Online Store "just install this unauthorized third party software mod" and you have that dress and more. And we have the group that play on the playstation. They start too see whats going with the PC users. They defeat bosses like they are nothing, they show screenshots with all kind of outfits and dresses. What then? Should we split the PC players into one server and PS players into another server? It should be the same experience for both groups.

Oh and about protecting the game and the game files. Im sure it's a way doing so legal and all that. Blizzard done it for many years. And other game companies.

[JanVanding]

Not from California btw. Anyways. They ruled that out at that QA session sure. But the unauthorized third party software mess and modding is just growing and growing. At some point players can just do whatever they want with the game. What then? At some point we have a broken game with no control whats going on. Players can just defeat any bosses because "just install this unauthorized third party software and the game will show you what to do". Oh you don't need to buy this dress from the Final Fantasy Online Store "just install this unauthorized third party software mod" and you have that dress and more. And we have the group that play on the playstation. They start too see whats going with the PC users. They defeat bosses like they are nothing, they show screenshots with all kind of outfits and dresses. What then? Should we split the PC players into one server and PS players into another server? It should be the same experience for both groups.

Oh and about protecting the game and the game files. Im sure it's a way doing so legal and all that. Blizzard done it for many years. And other game companies.

You're not interested in protecting the game nor preserving it's integrity, don't even try that attempt at self Martyrdom.

Do people in SFV complain that people run mods when it's also a cross platform and by the way, highly lucrative and competitive scene? Not at all

Why? Because the mods don't affect YOUR gameplay

If you ran to Capcom screaming they'd ignore you as well just like SE is and that's a game played competitively with real money prizes at stake.

And that game has frame data recording in live matches, hitbox detection mods, model retextures and so on.

Capcom doesn't care because it does not affect YOUR gameplay.

So you can take your authoritarian desires, turn them sidewise and stick them somewhere.....else.

[Apeachs]

You're not interested in protecting the game nor preserving it's integrity, don't even try that attempt at self Martyrdom.

Do people in SFV complain that people run mods when it's also a cross platform and by the way, highly lucrative and competitive scene? Not at all

Why? Because the mods don't affect YOUR gameplay

If you ran to Capcom screaming they'd ignore you as well just like SE is and that's a game played competitively with real money prizes at stake.

And that game has frame data recording in live matches, hitbox detection mods, model retextures and so on.

Capcom doesn't care because it does not affect YOUR gameplay.

So you can take your authoritarian desires, turn them sidewise and stick them somewhere.....else.

I'm very interesting that this game should be protected in a better way than it is today so you are very wrong there. I have been playing this game since 1.0 minus the down time for 2.0 launch. And I love this game. It's a beautiful game with a great story and many nice memories. In the beginning it wasn't much talk about using unauthorized third party software. This is something that have been come more and more of later. And this game on the PC version does not come with any protection mechanism against this. So the use of unauthorized third party software will grow and they will become more and more advance. Now In the later years the mods are on Free Companies discord servers and being talked about using without mention that is not allowed and consequence. I dont belive Square Enix doesnt care, GM told me to report the player through their Support page using "Report a case to the Special Task Force". And my authoritarian desires sure heavy mod users might feel that. But someone should not feel bad posting screenshots that are "vanilla" and getting comments that pictures didn't have certain features because of mods.

[Axxion]

I'm very interesting that this game should be protected in a better way than it is today so you are very wrong there. I have been playing this game since 1.0 minus the down time for 2.0 launch. And I love this game. It's a beautiful game with a great story and many nice memories. In the beginning it wasn't much talk about using unauthorized third party software. This is something that have been come more and more of later. And this game on the PC version does not come with any protection mechanism against this. So the use of unauthorized third party software will grow and they will become more and more advance. Now In the later years the mods are on Free Companies discord servers and being talked about using without mention that is not allowed and consequence. I dont belive Square Enix doesnt care, GM told me to report the player through their Support page using "Report a case to the Special Task Force". And my authoritarian desires sure heavy mod users might feel that. But someone should not feel bad posting screenshots that are "vanilla" and getting comments that pictures didn't have certain features because of mods.

You lost me with whole vanilla thing. Do you have a proof that that is actually a thing? From both sides of the coin there are both have positive comments.

Once again, you do not have a proof and you are really just hiding around a tos for your argument. If you have any proof provide it.

Like come on i can be on the playstation and walk up to someone and tell them they look good naked. They do not know that im really using them nor do they know im the playstation.

[Yahallo]

I'm very interesting that this game should be protected in a better way than it is today so you are very wrong there. I have been playing this game since 1.0 minus the down time for 2.0 launch. And I love this game. It's a beautiful game with a great story and many nice memories. In the beginning it wasn't much talk about using unauthorized third party software. This is something that have been come more and more of later. And this game on the PC version does not come with any protection mechanism against this. So the use of unauthorized third party software will grow and they will become more and more advance. Now In the later years the mods are on Free Companies discord servers and being talked about using without mention that is not allowed and consequence. I dont belive Square Enix doesnt care, GM told me to report the player through their Support page using "Report a case to the Special Task Force". And my authoritarian desires sure heavy mod users might feel that. But someone should not feel bad posting screenshots that are "vanilla" and getting comments that pictures didn't have certain features because of mods.

And unless you have absolute proof that they are using third party tools, nothing will happen. Most of these mods would require the player to outright declare in game that they are using them. Streamers can show parsers and other mods without worry of a ban, and that GM response is a pretty standard GM response. The game doesn't need any additional protection than it already does; it increases the chances of additional issues from the large variety of hardware setups or the variety of other software people have on their computer (like which Anti-Virus they use). For example, Capcom tried adding all sorts of protection to Monster Hunter World throughout its lifetime and none of them really worked and all they did was cause issues for people who did not use mods. Those protections added so much extra overhead that the game ran worse and could often trigger people's Anti-Viruses.

If anything, you are more likely to get banned if you go up to someone ledge sitting and begin yelling at them for "possibly" using third party tools. The point of the no third party tools rule is not to witch hunt people using them, it is to stop people from using them as an excuse to harass other people. That's why if someone is harassing another person for their parses, they would get charged with harassment first and foremost, rather than third party tools usage. So even if they are able to say something like, I was joking about using third party tools, they can still be banned for harassment, which would be the primary charge, because that is the most important one.

Fact is, things like ACT and GShade are here to stay. They have been a part of the game's culture since ARR, always have been and always will be. Any attempts to try to curb their usage further than what has been done will do far more harm than good. You dramatically increase the chance of technical issues all for the sake of what is essentially witch hunts. The game would see no benefits from these witch hunts.

[Atreyu]

I'm very interesting that this game should be protected in a better way than it is today so you are very wrong there. I have been playing this game since 1.0 minus the down time for 2.0 launch. And I love this game. It's a beautiful game with a great story and many nice memories. In the beginning it wasn't much talk about using unauthorized third party software. This is something that have been come more and more of later. And this game on the PC version does not come with any protection mechanism against this. So the use of unauthorized third party software will grow and they will become more and more advance. Now In the later years the mods are on Free Companies discord servers and being talked about using without mention that is not allowed and consequence. I dont belive Square Enix doesnt care, GM told me to report the player through their Support page using "Report a case to the Special Task Force". And my authoritarian desires sure heavy mod users might feel that. But someone should not feel bad posting screenshots that are "vanilla" and getting comments that pictures didn't have certain features because of mods.

So many words to say that you're jealous of the attention that other people's online game pictures get, but that yours don't.

[JanVanding]

As for the Blizzard protects its game files thing.

They also have to abide by GDPR and cannot scan your machine with any intrusive software either as they're an Internationally trading company, Blizzard chooses to support mods namely because they knew it would be a fruitless endeavour years ago.

Namely around CoD MW2 when Activision removed dedicated servers from PC in order to control map packs and mod making themselves to generate revenue via DLC for them.

Guess what the modders did? They hacked into the P2P host and modded via making themselves host, extremely illegal, yes, but it was a shot across the bow of Activision for trying to force profit from something the modding community had been offering for free in the earlier CoDs.

ActiBlizz at that point quickly realized they needed to play ball with modders if they wanted to make money off map packs and DLC

Ever since that first crazy week, they supported the modding community.

Now that said.

If any mod (and there are some) is made to profit from SEs property

That, that is an infringement of intellectual property and those people should be delt with 1000%

But that's why things need to be handled case by case, not trying to blanket ban because a lot of the modding community do damn fine work for a product they love, they don't do it for profit, it's entirely out of passion

And just because you don't like that, they should take it away?

If SE ever paid a blind bit of attention to that kind of thinking, this game would not have grown

It would be sat somewhere around the bottom of Steam chart activity because believe it or not

Modders are whales, they dump ungodly sums into subscriptions, mogstation and so on constantly.

They keep the lights on when you're not here.

Food for thought.

[TosumeTosu]

Honestly, I like that SE has taken a stance against mods and third-party apps, but also is not going to be monitoring your game for any software changes. Many times, running software that basically protects the game mod from being tampered with often results in false positives where it can mistake one software for another. The intrusive software also has the potential to cause the game to be laggy and overall make player experience worse for everyone just to take care of a problem a majority of people don't care about.

Mods and add ons for final fantasy are largely clientside. It doesn't impact the game or my ability to play whatsoever if someone uses mods. I don't care if random player #49594 uses nude mods and can see my character or NPCS without clothes on as long as they are not stalking or being weird towards me. I don't care if #484 is using ACT or a callout add-on for raids and dungeons as long as they are not flaming or being toxic towards me in-game for not meeting their specified numbers or reacting as quickly.

If someone is not actively doing anything to me or disrupting how I can play the game or enjoy it, I don't care if they are using mods. Most mods people lend towards, while nude and NSFW are most infamous, are largely just cosmetic hair and clothing mods. I imagine a majority of people don't even use nsfw mods and instead just use hair or face sculps. Who am I to tell them that they're not allowed to enjoy a custom face for their own character? Who cares if a group of friends in an FC uses mods to take some glamour photos?

If you sincerely feel like other people modding and sharing screenshots of it in an FC discord somehow significantly lessens player experience... I think you should probably re-evaluate your relationship to the game. Just because other people are modding doesn't mean you have to and if you feel like seeing a screenshot means that your gameplay experience is lessened and therefor everyone needs to have intrusive software on their computers just so you specifically do not feel left out is a form of entitlement I can't quite describe.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

So many words spoken & spun around just to convey:"Let's start a witch hunt."

You got some talent.

[Kolaina]

So many words spoken & spun around just to convey:"Let's start a witch hunt."

You got some talent.

Same can be said for the opposition with all the “they won’t install anything on your computer to detect them so they are not against their use”