Mods and cheat engine

[IdowhatIwant]

I wasn’t aware people who do call outs are able to read hidden triggers in the client’s files to call out RNG mechanics before the animation even happens. It’s cheating….how is this not obvious? Why do people defend this?

Going back and reading people’s comments on these things, calling them “calculators” or “crutches”. It’s like people are intentionally ignoring the fact that these plugins tell you mechanics before the game gives visual indicators for mechanics. It’s cheating, it literally hacks the game’s files and reads hidden triggers that the fight designers don’t want the player to know. Instead of looking where the bad thing is coming from, it tells you where it’s coming from before you’re even humanly able to know where it’s coming from.

It’s so incredibly simple what these things are yet people just seem to love defending them and disagreeing with people who call it out.

Even RNG mechanics have a visual action the boss makes before the move is executed or it has a cast bar. Most of the fights in this game are heavily scripted though with very few RNG mechanics. This was just a poorly thought out way to deflect the question because you know what the answer is. There is no difference. In then end you should be able to react accordingly when you see these actions. Some people lack the attention span or reaction speed to do this and benefit from a call out on the mechanic more so than others. But in reality there is no difference between cactpot/act calling out a mechanic and a person over discord calling out a mechanic.

[Ruru_Nayu]

Even RNG mechanics have a visual action the boss makes before the move is executed or it has a cast bar. Most of the fights in this game are heavily scripted though with very few RNG mechanics. This was just a poorly thought out way to deflect the question because you know what the answer is. There is no difference. In then end you should be able to react accordingly when you see these actions. Some people lack the attention span or reaction speed to do this and benefit from a call out on the mechanic more so than others. But in reality there is no difference between cactpot/act calling out a mechanic and a person over discord calling out a mechanic.

Using Cactbot makes you a bad player change my mind.

[LittleImp]

Even RNG mechanics have a visual action the boss makes before the move is executed or it has a cast bar.

Cactbot can intercept network packets and predict some of these mechanics before the visual or castbar is executed client-side. This is something that is 100% impossible for a human shot-caller to do.

Cactbot can make 8 individual callouts simultaneously, giving separate instructions to each user that has it installed based on things like specific debuffs and such. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot makes callouts instantaneously and never makes mistakes, even in fights that a group is brand new to. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot displays a text overlay on your screen with specific instructions for some mechanics, as well as having a graphical timeline of all upcoming mechanics with their exact timestamps.

But in reality there is no difference between cactpot/act calling out a mechanic and a person over discord calling out a mechanic.

Cactbot is cheating, and has created a generation of useless players that sandbag extremely hard on patch days.

[JanVanding]

I wasn’t aware people who do call outs are able to read hidden triggers in the client’s files to call out RNG mechanics before the animation even happens. It’s cheating….how is this not obvious? Why do people defend this?

Going back and reading people’s comments on these things, calling them “calculators” or “crutches”. It’s like people are intentionally ignoring the fact that these plugins tell you mechanics before the game gives visual indicators for mechanics. It’s cheating, it literally hacks the game’s files and reads hidden triggers that the fight designers don’t want the player to know. Instead of looking where the bad thing is coming from, it tells you where it’s coming from before you’re even humanly able to know where it’s coming from.

It’s so incredibly simple what these things are yet people just seem to love defending them and disagreeing with people who call it out.

Except it doesn't and I don't know where this idea that Cactbot does that came from.

It flashes up a bit of text like a WoW raid caller and doesn't literally go "YOU MUST MOVE TO THIS SPOT, YOU MUST MOVE TO THAT SPOT" it simply flashes the text up of what you would read anyway on boss cast bars or icon debuffs. It doesn't tell you anything else and some mechanics it tells you nothing at all.

[jamjeeshoul77]

Except it doesn't and I don't know where this idea that Cactbot does that came from.

It flashes up a bit of text like a WoW raid caller and doesn't literally go "YOU MUST MOVE TO THIS SPOT, YOU MUST MOVE TO THAT SPOT" it simply flashes the text up of what you would read anyway on boss cast bars or icon debuffs. It doesn't tell you anything else and some mechanics it tells you nothing at all.

Except it does? For a current example, in P3S it calls out spread or stack before the animation plays. It calls out shiva before the animation plays. I don’t get why this is so hard to understand. What aren’t people understanding about this plug-in reading hidden triggers that allows it to give call outs before the visual triggers play? Why are people denying this, when it is 100% true?

[Packetdancer]

Except it doesn't and I don't know where this idea that Cactbot does that came from.

Well, if you mean "that" to be "Cactbot can read mechanics before a raid-caller can", that's absolutely true, since it's reading the network traffic. Now, like... 90% of the time, the mechanic information isn't sent to the client until just before the mechanic itself happens, so presumably while Cactbot might be half a second faster than a human raid-caller, it's not going to be massively/game-breakingly so.

But there are mechanics that have long animations where it isn't clear which animation it's playing until fairly far into the animation; in those cases, Cactbot can absolutely call way faster than a human raid-caller. An example is P3N; I'm given to understand that the server has said "this will be in" or "this will be out" when the bird sort of starts to gather itself up to begin the lengthy Experimental Fireplume castbar. So if I were to be raid-calling a normal raid for whatever reason, I'd probably say "okay, be halfway out..." as a warning as the cast started, and then wait to see see which fireball appeared and go "Okay, go OUT!" or "Get into the middle!" once it did. Whereas Cactbot could say "Get out, big AoE soon" as soon as the cast-bar started, and give maybe a... what, 2-3 second lead in that specific case? Since the animation and cast is a long one.

But on the other hand, as I mentioned in my earlier post, from what I've seen of people blindly following Cactbot—and been told by said people—there are mechanics that Cactbot cannot call in advance... or even cannot call well at all compared to a human raid-caller.

[Gameovers]

What is the difference though between cactbot and some one calling out mechanics over discord which is another thing console players do not have access to.

Hey now. I'm a console player and I use discords :O Tho yes I know what you actually mean. I'm just providing a joke. Don't mind me.

[Axxion]

This thread blows my mind. Cactbot literally tells you mechanics before the animations even happen. It’s a significant advantage over console players for many mechanics, even in ULTIMATES. If the game was only PC it wouldn’t be that big a deal, but it’s really insane how people convince themselves it’s fair that Square turns a blind eye to these things when half their playerbase is unable to use them. It really blows my mind

The thread is talking about cheat engine and not catbot

[LianaThorne]

I'm still just trying to figure out where this need for modding on console is coming from when modding on console isn't really a big thing in general? You can literally Google why modding isn't readily available on console compared to PCs pretty easily. I know Bethesda has done it with a couple of their games (Farming Sim as well) but outside of that, are there any other major titles that support modding for console?

Let's be real, Square isn't gonna give the stuff PC players have to console players and they're not gonna ban anyone who uses them either for reasons already stated in this thread. The only thing left to do is accept the situation for what it is really.

[IckeDerTyp]

Developers should implement ingame solutions that is going to prevent people from messing with the game (access to non-default functions, emotes and such that other people can see and interract with).

This. Very much this.

/thread? ^^