Often people say that Dark Knight is in a bad spot, but what other Jobs...

[Floortank]

From my experiences runs always ran better under Warriors. Healing DArk Knights is kinda annoying too in Raids, Dungeons, and the such. I much prefer healing Warriors or Paladins.

Your experience suggests confirmation bias.

If you wipe in a big pull with a DRK, and your only thought is "omg DRK bad", you're overlooking other potential causes.

1) DRK player isn't mitigating correctly.
2) Healer isn't healing correctly.
3) DPS aren't DPSing correctly.
4) Combinations of the above.

I've partied with two different DRKs from 80->90 in Endwalker so far, and neither one of them had a single problem doing wallpulls.

[Rhysati]

Your experience suggests confirmation bias.

If you wipe in a big pull with a DRK, and your only thought is "omg DRK bad", you're overlooking other potential causes.

1) DRK player isn't mitigating correctly.
2) Healer isn't healing correctly.
3) DPS aren't DPSing correctly.
4) Combinations of the above.

I've partied with two different DRKs from 80->90 in Endwalker so far, and neither one of them had a single problem doing wallpulls.

You can say this all you like, but my favorite tank was always DRK. My best friend on the game also plays DRK. I've had a lot of experience healing them as well as every other tank and without even needing to think I can tell you that healing DRK is MUCH harder for a Sage. Mostly because DRK's mitigation is with shields and so is Sage's healing. Every other tank does a ton of self-healing that allows Sage the chance to breath after throwing out a shield. With DRK is a non-stop neverending effort to keep them up.

When 3 out of 4 tanks allow you to relax, watch some netflix while you run, and be otherwise impaired and that 4th tank requires you to be intensely focused, alert, and watching your mana so you don't run out from spamming weak heals at them the whole run...it's clear there is a start contrast between the tanks.

[kejakalope]

You can say this all you like, but my favorite tank was always DRK. My best friend on the game also plays DRK. I've had a lot of experience healing them as well as every other tank and without even needing to think I can tell you that healing DRK is MUCH harder for a Sage. Mostly because DRK's mitigation is with shields and so is Sage's healing. Every other tank does a ton of self-healing that allows Sage the chance to breath after throwing out a shield. With DRK is a non-stop neverending effort to keep them up.

When 3 out of 4 tanks allow you to relax, watch some netflix while you run, and be otherwise impaired and that 4th tank requires you to be intensely focused, alert, and watching your mana so you don't run out from spamming weak heals at them the whole run...it's clear there is a start contrast between the tanks.

Otoh, DRK absolutely laughs at tankbusters and can do so all day every day and twice on sunday. There's nuances to different jobs in different content across the game.

[Wolwosh]

When 3 out of 4 tanks allow you to relax, watch some netflix while you run, and be otherwise impaired and that 4th tank requires you to be intensely focused, alert, and watching your mana so you don't run out from spamming weak heals at them the whole run...it's clear there is a start contrast between the tanks.

Maybe thats because most DRK's you meet are bad, most DRK's I meet only use TBN as a defensive cooldown.
Rampart/Shadow Wall etc I feel most of them don't even have on their hotbar, because I never see them used, and I pay attention to it.

[Jeeqbit]

DRK is almost the same as Shadowbringers and that's part of the problem. It has hardly gained anything new and exciting. It could use some haste at least.

A lot of people were saying that scholar hasn't changed either, but in the raids I've been in scholar's speed buff has been a really big deal. I didn't think it would matter at first because we have sprint but it's like having sprint up more of the time for more mechanics and it's helped party finder to do mechanics successfully when they would have been too slow otherwise.

I don't like that AST's cards don't work toward divination, but they seem to work toward Astrodyne instead at least. It actually feels busier closer to how it was when Shadowbringers released and not in a good way because I'm struggling to remember that Divination and Minor Arcana exist now that they don't light up. It's not so bad, I still get to play cards and that's what keeps AST fun over the other healers that have nothing to do.

[Liam_Harper]

Most healers in general. WHM is just straight up inferior at healing, SCH has the usual downsides that come from some of your oGCD's being tied to a separate AI that you snack on for 30 sec periods and AST is amazing at healing but riddled with useless button bloat. WHM remains popular simply because it's straightforward and more fun than AST or SCH's tedious features. Sage has flaws too, but it's in a great spot and clearly got all the attention.

NIN is the least popular dps by quite a lot. Monk is Monk.

DRK is actually quite strong on dps and its mitigation is "fine", it just has so many outdated, inferior or clunkier abilities and Living Dead is so rubbish that similar to AST, people don't even care if it's a meta class because it's not fun.

[Duskane]

machinist
still has its design flaws and didn't gain too much

[Katie_Kitty]

machinist
still has its design flaws and didn't gain too much

They really don't want machinist to be good in this game.

[Jeeqbit]

DRK doesn't even take damage because of TBN, unless they forgot to put it on their hotbar.

[Tlachtga]

DRK doesn't even take damage because of TBN, unless they forgot to put it on their hotbar.

TBN is really overrated. its pretty bad when you compare it to Bloodwhetting, Holy Sheltron and Heart of Corundum.